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Put bloomenstein's money too on there. double whammy.

dorminWS wrote:You staunch libertarians that insist on voting for Sarvis can send him a message from me: If McAuliffe wins by a margin equal to or less than the percentage Sarvis gets, I will have become a lifelong enemy of the libertarian cause and I will expend no small effort in encouraging others to do so. In fact, I urge others who agree that we need to beat McAuliffe at all costs to communicate that sentiment to the Sarvis camp immediately. It would help if someone could post an e-mail address for the Sarvis campaign. What Sarvis the candidacy will have done to our state should, if there is any justice in this world, engender a thousand times the disapproval and dislike that the republicans and so-called "tea party radicals" received for the government shutdown. Who would sacrifice the future of this Commonwealth and all who live there to serve the ends of what amounts to a personal ego trip and symbolic political statement deserves all the opprobrium responsible adults can heap upon them for the rest of their lives.

That excited enough for ya?

*yawn* I'm sure becoming a lifelong enemy of the libertarian cause (of which you already partially align with based on your conservative nature) will definitely get those libertarians to vote Republican in future elections! That's a winning strategy! Who's to say that if Sarvis wasn't even on the ballot those people that vote for him wouldn't just stay home? I know I would, and with disapproval ratings being so high for both KC and TM I bet a lot of Sarvis supporters would stay home too. So in the end KC still loses because of KC, not because of someone else. I am so tired of the Republican party just wanting me around when it's election day and any other day they tell me to piss off. I'm also tired of the boogieman cliche that comes around every election. "We gotta keep Obama out. This election is too important!" "We gotta keep TM out. This election is too important!" If THAT'S your strategy to get votes for the GOP (which hasn't worked by the way), that party is finished.

Anyway, go express your plans of fire and brimstone if KC peters out like a fart in the wind.

http://www.robertsarvis.com/contact
Email:info@robertsarvis.com
Snail Mail: Sarvis for Governor 2013
P.O. Box 224
Annandale, Virginia 22003
Facebook:facebook.com/RobertSarvisVA
Twitter:twitter.com/RobertSarvisVA
YouTube:SarvisForGovernorVA Channel

Ok...lets say that all crap breaks loose and we can't hold McAwful back in the legislature (either because it is purple or because he does as his master in NY and DC say and walks around the legislature). Are yall forumlating exit plans? I have been here for 20 years 2/3 of my life. I would hate to leave this beautiful place, but I would rather live free than not.

ShotgunBlast wrote:

dorminWS wrote:You staunch libertarians that insist on voting for Sarvis can send him a message from me: If McAuliffe wins by a margin equal to or less than the percentage Sarvis gets, I will have become a lifelong enemy of the libertarian cause and I will expend no small effort in encouraging others to do so. In fact, I urge others who agree that we need to beat McAuliffe at all costs to communicate that sentiment to the Sarvis camp immediately. It would help if someone could post an e-mail address for the Sarvis campaign. What Sarvis the candidacy will have done to our state should, if there is any justice in this world, engender a thousand times the disapproval and dislike that the republicans and so-called "tea party radicals" received for the government shutdown. Who would sacrifice the future of this Commonwealth and all who live there to serve the ends of what amounts to a personal ego trip and symbolic political statement deserves all the opprobrium responsible adults can heap upon them for the rest of their lives.

That excited enough for ya?

*yawn* I'm sure becoming a lifelong enemy of the libertarian cause (of which you already partially align with based on your conservative nature) will definitely get those libertarians to vote Republican in future elections! That's a winning strategy! Who's to say that if Sarvis wasn't even on the ballot those people that vote for him wouldn't just stay home? I know I would, and with disapproval ratings being so high for both KC and TM I bet a lot of Sarvis supporters would stay home too. So in the end KC still loses because of KC, not because of someone else. I am so tired of the Republican party just wanting me around when it's election day and any other day they tell me to piss off. I'm also tired of the boogieman cliche that comes around every election. "We gotta keep Obama out. This election is too important!" "We gotta keep TM out. This election is too important!" If THAT'S your strategy to get votes for the GOP (which hasn't worked by the way), that party is finished.

Anyway, go express your plans of fire and brimstone if KC peters out like a fart in the wind.

http://www.robertsarvis.com/contact
Email:info@robertsarvis.com
Snail Mail: Sarvis for Governor 2013
P.O. Box 224
Annandale, Virginia 22003
Facebook:facebook.com/RobertSarvisVA
Twitter:twitter.com/RobertSarvisVA
YouTube:SarvisForGovernorVA Channel

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Irresponsible behavior ought to have consequences. And I might sympathize to at least a small degree with a lot of groups I'd consider too extreme and wild-eyed radical to join or support. I just hate that the libertarians have apparently become one of them.

deja vu all over again.

dorminWS wrote:You staunch libertarians that insist on voting for Sarvis can send him a message from me: If McAuliffe wins by a margin equal to or less than the percentage Sarvis gets, I will have become a lifelong enemy of the libertarian cause and I will expend no small effort in encouraging others to do so. In fact, I urge others who agree that we need to beat McAuliffe at all costs to communicate that sentiment to the Sarvis camp immediately. It would help if someone could post an e-mail address for the Sarvis campaign. What Sarvis the candidacy will have done to our state should, if there is any justice in this world, engender a thousand times the disapproval and dislike that the republicans and so-called "tea party radicals" received for the government shutdown. Who would sacrifice the future of this Commonwealth and all who live there to serve the ends of what amounts to a personal ego trip and symbolic political statement deserves all the opprobrium responsible adults can heap upon them for the rest of their lives.

That excited enough for ya?

Now lets each convince 5 friends!

dorminWS wrote: Irresponsible behavior ought to have consequences. And I might sympathize to at least a small degree with a lot of groups I'd consider too extreme and wild-eyed radical to join or support. I just hate that the libertarians have apparently become one of them.

I'm sure the Whigs said the same thing in the end. "Those blasted Republicans, they're going to ensure the Democrats take over forever."

What is irresponsible about voting for the candidate you identify with the most? Who in their right mind says voting in a democratic election is irresponsible? Once again it comes down to shirking responsibility. "It's the third party voters that made Romney lose." "It's the third party voters that made KC lose." It is not MY fault if YOUR candidate loses! I have no obligation to vote for anyone; a candidate must earn my vote. If the GOP can get that through their thick skulls, maybe they'll develop a better platform, run better candidates, and win an election!

Most of us agree with KC the most and see the lies about BJ's, no birth control pills, and killing babies, as what they are.....LIES

We also see legalizing drugs, marrage between species and legally dorking anything that moves as WAY BACK in the priorities behind KEEPING OUR GUNS and NOT BANKRUPTING OUR STATE!

ratherfish wrote:Most of us agree with KC the most and see the lies about BJ's, no birth control pills, and killing babies, as what they are.....LIES

We also see legalizing drugs, marrage between species and legally dorking anything that moves as WAY BACK in the priorities behind KEEPING OUR GUNS and NOT BANKRUPTING OUR STATE!

And there's a difference between those issues being a lower priority and those issues not being supported at all if they came up. As much as people want to paint libertarians as a bunch of single-issue drug legalizing hippies and dismiss third-party campaign as only being about certain "less important" issues, that's not even part of the Sarvis campaign. The difference is that while those issues are not part of the Sarvis campaign, he's still supports them if the opportunity presented itself whereas KC would not.

ShotgunBlast wrote: If the GOP can get that through their thick skulls, maybe they'll develop a better platform, run better candidates, and win an election!

How exactly is KC unqualified for the office at hand? It seems you disagree with his social conservatism (can't fault you for that personally) more than his platforms.

In all honesty for me guns are not a #1 issue, but overall quality of life. I want my taxes low. I want my state competitive. I want my property value to rise. I want my schools to work well. I want my elected officials to be responsible stewards of tax dollars. Based on debates, endorsements and my own opinion thats KC.

The fact he's pro-gun?

Icing on the cake.

TMac and Sarvis could be so fckin hardcore pro-gun they literally sht guns on my front lawn and I still wouldn't vote for either because I cannot see either one being effective at the job.

Kreutz wrote:

ShotgunBlast wrote: If the GOP can get that through their thick skulls, maybe they'll develop a better platform, run better candidates, and win an election!

How exactly is KC unqualified for the office at hand? It seems you disagree with his social conservatism (can't fault you for that personally) more than his platforms.

In all honesty for me guns are not a #1 issue, but overall quality of life. I want my taxes low. I want my state competitive. I want my property value to rise. I want my schools to work well. I want my elected officials to be responsible stewards of tax dollars. Based on debates, endorsements and my own opinion thats KC.

The fact he's pro-gun?

Icing on the cake.

TMac and Sarvis could be so fckin hardcore pro-gun they literally sht guns on my front lawn and I still wouldn't vote for either because I cannot see either one being effective at the job.

I never said he was unqualified and I'm not telling KC supporters to not vote for him, and in the end if he wins I can live with that. The guy just hasn't earned my vote because he doesn't line up with my platform as much as another candidate does. If he does not win then there is obviously some work that needs to be done either to the platform or the candidate (or both) to attract enough Va voters to vote GOP. But instead what will likely happen is that they will blame anyone else possible so that they don't accept the fact that they need to retool in order to win elections again. That's my beef.

I don't know if there's going to be time to retool. I need tin foil. I am convinced the behemoth of our "care" package will be the straw that broke this economy's back. Then we will be at the gun point of DHS for govt cheese every day, and I feel fairly certain that , even though we prepped, they are going to do their best to subjugate all of us.

Highest accomplishment of the Libertarian party;

1988
Ron Paul, on the ballot in 46 states and the District of Columbia, comes in third, receiving more than 430,000 votes nationwide -- almost twice the total of any other "third" party.

Yah...I wanna join THAT!

Sarvis is nothing more than a McAwefull campaign booster.

Is there anything that can be done to help? I have kept my eyes peeled but saw no efforts to recruit boots on the grond... Just requests for donations.

I'm new to this state and would like to get involved in keeping it a reddish shade of purple.... If not totally red.

I didn't move here from Maryland to live with more liberal bullcrap.

Si vis pacem, para bellvm.

I'll stick with my plan of trying to advocate for more libertarian positions by a party that has a chance of winning. If Republicans can wake up and drop the repressive social issues from the platform, they *could* garner a lot more support.

Sarvis cannot win and that's a mathematical fact. He can only help KC lose. I'd actually like to see them make a deal where Sarvis supports KC in exchange for agreements on Libertarian issues. Get Sarvis a seat at the table and some experience in Richmond. If KC doesn't hold up his end, we can make another run at it in 4 years.

Seeing our republican elected officials vote with democrats here lately, that wa the last time I vote for Non tea party GOP candidates.

Do I realize my vote is being thrown away? Yes.

I realize now that the republicans same the same poop every election, and now they even vote democratic.

The voters aren't the problem, it's the party that continues I put forth candidates and platforms that I no longer support.

Shame on you for blaming it on the voters.

j1mmyd wrote:I'll stick with my plan of trying to advocate for more libertarian positions by a party that has a chance of winning. If Republicans can wake up and drop the repressive social issues from the platform, they *could* garner a lot more support.

Sarvis cannot win and that's a mathematical fact. He can only help KC lose. I'd actually like to see them make a deal where Sarvis supports KC in exchange for agreements on Libertarian issues. Get Sarvis a seat at the table and some experience in Richmond. If KC doesn't hold up his end, we can make another run at it in 4 years.

Sarvis for SUpervisor? Mayor? Delegate? State senate? Congress?

Yes.

Governor?

No.

A new poll, provided exclusively to Breitbart News, finds the Virginia Governor's race a virtual dead-heat, with Democrat Terry McAuliffe leading Republican Ken Cuccinelli 41%-40%. Libertarian Robert Sarvis garners 10% and 9% of likely voters who remain undecided. With less than two weeks to go, the race is a toss-up that will likely be decided by turnout, a critical factor in an off-year election.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... -A-Toss-Up

Can you please stop debating and DO something?

I did.

Gave money to the Tea Party and Ken.

Talk to every gun owner I know about voting for KC. I'm hoping the facts sink in before they pull the lever!

Remember this is all a well orchistrated routine. The lies, the slander, the polls showing we've lost. "they're all the same" trying to disuade voters and turn off independants.

Don't fall for it! Vote!

kelu wrote:A new poll, provided exclusively to Breitbart News, finds the Virginia Governor's race a virtual dead-heat, with Democrat Terry McAuliffe leading Republican Ken Cuccinelli 41%-40%. Libertarian Robert Sarvis garners 10% and 9% of likely voters who remain undecided. With less than two weeks to go, the race is a toss-up that will likely be decided by turnout, a critical factor in an off-year election.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... -A-Toss-Up

Can you please stop debating and DO something?

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BEST NEWS I'VE HEARD ALL DAY! Feel better about that check I sent Cooch last week. Maybe I didn't tamp that money up a wild hog's azz after all.