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Re: Feelings on Libertarianism
Posted: Fri, 31 May 2013 09:18:14
by Taggure
DryBones wrote:WBlacklidge wrote:I voted for Ron Paul in the Republican primaries and then voted Gary Johnson for the elections and I am proud of it.
Two things I always remind myself: Voting for the lesser of two evils is still evil and to always vote for my Utopia and nothing less.
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Re: Feelings on Libertarianism
Posted: Fri, 31 May 2013 10:07:42
by ShotgunBlast
FiremanBob wrote:Shotgun, I would propose a small modification your point above. The Tea Party Republicans (Cruz, Paul, et al) are not mocked by the party. They are mocked by the RINO faction of the party, but supported by the conservative/libertarian faction. It's just that the mass media (and we know whom they work for) publicize only the RINO side of the story, to make it seem like the whole party is against them.
Duly noted, but the RINO faction of the party is a considerable size of the overall party. We can quibble on what we think the percentages of RINO vs conservative/libertarian are because the whole concept is subjective, but based on their last two presidential candidates and recent voting actions flying in the face of the conservative principles they espouse to the point where they're often called "Democrat-lite", I'd put the party at about 80% RINO / 20% conservative/libertarian so naturally the media gives the attention to the majority voice.
It's tough to admit that your party has left you, so I'll say it for you. I think your party has left you.
Re: Feelings on Libertarianism
Posted: Fri, 31 May 2013 10:45:23
by FiremanBob
Thanks, Shotgun. I'm a little more optimistic. I think the RINO elements had dominant control of the GOP throughout the 1990s up until 2008. I think the right wing (pun intended) of the party is resurgent today and stands a good chance of winning. It would work even better and faster if more libertarians joined in the effort.
Re: Feelings on Libertarianism
Posted: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:49:18
by SHMIV
The whole of my immediate family, and the bulk of my extended family, are registered Republicans. So am I. None of us are happy with the party. Further, I don't believe I know a single Republican who IS happy with the GOP, and I know a great deal of folks.
Maybe RINOs are the majority, but I am inclined to think not. I do think, though, that the average Republican voter has a lot of business to tend to, and they don't participate in party functions as much as they probably should.
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Re: Feelings on Libertarianism
Posted: Fri, 31 May 2013 17:51:14
by Kreutz
FiremanBob wrote:It would work even better and faster if more libertarians joined in the effort.
IIRC the Reverend tried this, said something to the effect it was futile due to the party machinery?
Re: Feelings on Libertarianism
Posted: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 12:11:33
by Kreutz
When even something as far left as
The Daily Beast says it, it may be worth notice:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... arian.html
To Win Millennials, the GOP Needs to Embrace Its Inner Libertarian
Millennials, says the report, don’t care much about abstractions such as that favorite Republican bogeyman, “big government.” But they are into cutting government spending and reducing the national debt, as they realize both things are strangling their future before it begins. Fully 90 percent agree that Social Security and Medicare need to be reformed now, 82 percent are ready to “make tough choices about cutting government spending, even on some programs some people really like,” and 72 percent want to cut the size of government “because it is simply too big.” Only 17 percent want to increase spending on defense and just 30 percent said that “marriage should be legally defined as only between a man and a women,” with 44 percent saying same-sex marriage should be legal everywhere and 26 percent saying it should be up to individual states.
Much more at link, it all came from a COllege Republican National Committee study.