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'Bring' causes me to grind my teeth.
"Bring it with you when you go." AARRRGH!

You bring it when you come, you take it whenyou go. I even heard Judge Judy screw this up. They're not sure it their place over there they want to take it to either. Maybe they should bring it back????

m r ducks

M r not ducks

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S M R!

L I b. M r ducks. M r bay b ducks. C d e d b d wings?

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EIEI-O

M R not ducks. M R puppies. C M P N?

This is just another fine example of the "Dumbing of America".

Languages change; faster than they used to aided by widespread instantaneous communication. Dialects and accents will fade away and change as well.

Its not always a question of "caring" or "ignorance" but of real use. People really do effectively communicate this way now.

Grammar, the difference between knowing your poop and knowing you're poop.

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Molfeens wrote:Grammar, the difference between knowing your poop and knowing you're poop.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yeah. Or in the case of the grammar Nazis, BEING a sh!t.

Kreutz wrote:Languages change; faster than they used to aided by widespread instantaneous communication. Dialects and accents will fade away and change as well.

Its not always a question of "caring" or "ignorance" but of real use. People really do effectively communicate this way now.

I think that's part of it and much of it comes down to we write how we talk and there simply isn't enough writing demanded of our young students IMHO. Everything has to be short or else they don't have the attention span to deal with it. A great example of this is your and you're. Speaking the two there is no difference, but when writing there is a huge difference.

There also is an element of technology induced laziness. For example, if I am writing a letter or a paper, I will proof read and often rewrite to make it clearer and more correct. However, with a forum or a text or any other high-tech communications channel, we simply communicate so frequently that we get lazy. I usually give my posts a quick look, but I'm certainly not proof reading them. Sometimes the mistakes are genuine and people raise them to my attention and I attempt to fix them. In that case I'm usually unaware that I made the mistake and it's a duh moment, occasionally I do actually learn something. It's all good.

Speaking of induced laziness, auto-correct is either great or WTF.

I think tenses get mess up because we don't write as linearly as we use too. If I am nearly done with a post and realize I missed a point, I can go back and add it easily with a high-tech interface. However, it's very easy to use the wrong tense in that case.

One things for sure, technology and education (or lack there of) are definitely changing the language.

It depends on context. If you're commenting on a forum, or in a comment box? Lighten up. People do this from phones, on the fly, on a tablet.

I think everyone should take "Police Writing, and Communications" courses. It gets rid of the "fluff", allusions, and comparisions, and just gives straight facts as seen at the scene.

It also helps with grammar, and being in your 20's, and having to prep for 30-40 word SPELLING TEST!?!? Oh yeah, that's something that will have you taking GREAT notice!

This “element of technology induced laziness” Gunderwood notes is very real, and at least for me it has another element. I was an adult before the first word-processors arrived on the scene; at least way back in my neck of the woods. I can remember (before the advent of the IBM PC, when “desktop computers didn’t exist unless you bought a kit and a soldering iron and damn well built your own) shelling out HUGE bucks for an IBM Displaywriter with those huge 8-inch (or so) floppies (no hard drive at all) and that ridiculous little golf-ball printer. But when I was in school taking English, we were taught to do note cards and outlines and therefore to have a highly developed framework for our document before we ever put pen to paper. And because instead of correcting, expanding, and improving upon what was written we had to re-do it, I learned to do a pretty good job or organizing and composing the work in my mind before I began to write.

But now, after decades of being able to just throw anything I want into Microsoft Word and clean it up and flesh it out later, I find that I am mentally sloppy and lazy as hell. I think this also contributes greatly to what we are discussing. We don’t thoroughly think things through and organize them before we pit them in black and whit; and it leads to sloppiness in usage, grammar and other good writing practices. And we don’t do it because technology has made it so we don’t have to.

The best part about public speaking/testifying... you have to keep that mental checklist, and be mindful or how you speak.

And you cannot be shy.

People who put down "grammar nazis" are just like black kids who criticize good students for "acting white".

@FiremanBob: If this was an instructional environment, sure...but it is not. The best that you can hope for in this environment is clarification of points that are confused by poor grammar.

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Ah yes, the soft racism of low expectations. Why would anyone consider ignorance something to be proud of?

Not everyone is pitch perfect, but that shouldn't stop their attempts to sing. I know that my grammar is not perfect, but I do have thoughts and ideas that I would like to put forth. I hardly think of that as pride of ignorance.

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I would opine that there are folks who know and mostly practice good grammar without either striving for or expecting absolute perfection, and then there are "grammar Nazis". I suspect the "grammar Nazis", with their superciliously priggish nattering about the small stuff, may do more damage to good grammar and usage than the truly ignorant, because they leave people with a disaffection for grammatical correctness.