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Let me suggest another angle.

When Jesse James applied for the job, he would have filled out an employment application in which he would have
answered questions about his criminal background. If Jesse lied on his application it would be grounds for termination.

This opens up all kinds of possibilities for OP.

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How do you know he is a felon? Just rumors around the job or certainty? If certainty, I.e. he told you or you have seen the court records just tell home he can't come because it would be illegal to let him handle a firearm.
If it based on second hand information, just tell him upfront you hesitant to take him shooting because you have heard he had a felony conviction, and if he did you could not let him handle a gun.

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This one is simple....

Last time he had a gun (that you know of) he shot into a crowd of people.

Come on. Do you really have to ask this?

Also, it's not exactly against the law to not associate with someone. I ignore people all the time. Matter of fact, if I don't like you, I typically tell you as soon as I figure out I don't like you. For whatever reason it may be, I'll even explain why. If they make a big dramatic scene, I just stare at them while looking through them. You know, to make things awkward. Normally, that does the trick.

I found out a long time ago that things are only as complicated as you make them. Right about then is when some people started calling me an a$$hole. Realized those were the ones adding stress to my life and since I wasn't someone they wanted to be around, my life got better. (Less stressful)

Makes things easier.

Seriously though, don't give him a gun. It's stupid. If he asks why, tell him. Simple and to the point. Trust me, he probably doesn't want the attention associated with it any further once it's brought up.

If HR asks, tell them you don't trust him with a gun. Call it a gut feeling. After all, it's YOUR life isn't it?
KISS (keep it simple stupid)

scrubber3 wrote:This one is simple....

Last time he had a gun (that you know of) he shot into a crowd of people.

Come on. Do you really have to ask this?

Also, it's not exactly against the law to not associate with someone. I ignore people all the time. Matter of fact, if I don't like you, I typically tell you as soon as I figure out I don't like you. For whatever reason it may be, I'll even explain why. If they make a big dramatic scene, I just stare at them while looking through them. You know, to make things awkward. Normally, that does the trick.

I found out a long time ago that things are only as complicated as you make them. Right about then is when some people started calling me an a$$hole. Realized those were the ones adding stress to my life and since I wasn't someone they wanted to be around, my life got better. (Less stressful)

Makes things easier.

Seriously though, don't give him a gun. It's stupid. If he asks why, tell him. Simple and to the point. Trust me, he probably doesn't want the attention associated with it any further once it's brought up.

If HR asks, tell them you don't trust him with a gun. Call it a gut feeling. After all, it's YOUR life isn't it?
KISS (keep it simple stupid)

+1 Its a recreational activity you do outside of your job correct? You have no obligation whatsoever and I don't see how HR would have anything to do about it. It's no different then if you didn't invite the guy out to the bar because you just plain didn't like him.

To clarify, yes, it was something some of the guys at work wanted to do. They know I take people to the range to teach them how to properly use a gun, do some training. This guy has requested several times, and I have basically pushed him off. Of course, he's gone to HR that it's not fair.

Keep in mind that this is the HR that "recommended" that I add this guy on Facebook... same guy that has said "when he snaps" several times, said he was going to "throttle" a coworker....

If you give a felon a gun, he will ask for some bullets.

If you give the felon some bullets, he will hold up a gas station.

If he holds up a gas station, he'll have cash to buy drugs.

If he has cash to buy drugs, he'll get busted by a cop.

If he gets busted by a cop, he'll ask you for bail.

If the felon gets bail, he'll skip his court date.

If he skips his court date, he'll ask for a hiding place.

If you give him a place to hide, the cops will surround your home.

If you're surrounded by cops, the felon will ask for a gun.

Mindflayer, have you considered seeking new employment? Your current HR lady seems.... extra special.

Office politics being what they are, I know that sometimes things have to be handled with care. However, in this case, I'd firmly state to your HR lady that 1) you just don't feel comfortable with putting a gun in that mans hand, 2) what you do on your personal time is none of her damn business, anyway, and 3) if she's that concerned about it, SHE can go hang out with him.

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SHMIV wrote:Mindflayer, Your current HR lady seems.... extra special.

Office politics being what they are, I know that sometimes things have to be handled with care. However, in this case, I'd firmly state to your HR lady that 1) you just don't feel comfortable with putting a gun in that mans hand, 2) what you do on your personal time is none of her damn business, anyway, and 3) if she's that concerned about it, SHE can go hang out with him.

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