Law student schools police officer on gun laws

[Lorger]

Just because something is SOP doesn't mean that the LEO has the legal authority to do it. It just means that most people don't know their rights and will comply (thus making it "ok") with perceived authority. In a way the LEO is using their position of authority to gain access to things that you would tell anyone else to get lost for. People don't realize that legally the officer is asking, not demanding and the resulting search/seizure is only legal because they complied/permitted it.

I work closely with LE. you find that they do things in structured manor, it saves lives. And agian, you need to see the beginning of the video to see why the cop is talking to this guy, he was doing something goofy like holding his weapon ready to draw

[MarcSpaz]

Just because something is SOP doesn't mean that the LEO has the legal authority to do it. It just means that most people don't know their rights and will comply (thus making it "ok") with perceived authority. In a way the LEO is using their position of authority to gain access to things that you would tell anyone else to get lost for. People don't realize that legally the officer is asking, not demanding and the resulting search/seizure is only legal because they complied/permitted it.

I work closely with LE. you find that they do things in structured manor, it saves lives. And agian, you need to see the beginning of the video to see why the cop is talking to this guy, he was doing something goofy like holding his weapon ready to draw

You have a link to the footage you mentioned? I didn't see this in the video that is linked.

Having his hand on his weapon is not a good excuse anyway. As long as the weapon is "at the ready" but not being presented to fire or presented offensively, there is no crime being committed simply because his hand is on it. There is no law that say you have to have your weapon holstered or can't be touching it.

I occasionally walk around with my M4 slung, trigger hand on the pistol grip and supporting hand on the fore grip... weapon at the ready. This is a legally acceptable open carry method.

Also, I keep my pistol and spare mag in the map pouch behind my seat when I drive so the seat and center console don't get scratch while I'm driving. (yes, i have a chp) When I park and get out, I am walking around with my pistol in my hand, pointed to the ground and finger off the trigger, while I work on holstering the mag and then the pistol. Again... weapon at the ready in a legally acceptable open carry method.

LEO's are supposed to be experts in the law so they can correctly observe and respond. LEO's doing things in structured manor is fine as long as that action is legal and within the powers bestowed upon the officer by federal law and the code of the state/commonwealth.

[Lorger]

I support your right to OC, but I will not stand behind some snotty nosed kid that likes to makes videos of him self doing things to get the attention of the police so that he can make a stand on his legal rights. People like this kid are detrimental to all gun owners, not just hand gun owners. If OC means that you go around attracting attention to your self so that you can challenge a cop on your rights, you may not represent the fire arms community that I want to belong to. This kid belongs in the group of punks that end up shooting their friend in the foot under the table at a Hooters restaurant, after attending a gun show. Dont stand behind the fool that will screw things of for the rest of us.

[Lorger]

You have a link to the footage you mentioned? I didn't see this in the video that is linked.

Having his hand on his weapon is not a good excuse anyway. As long as the weapon is "at the ready" but not being presented to fire or presented offensively, there is no crime being committed simply because his hand is on it. There is no law that say you have to have your weapon holstered or can't be touching it.

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He has live a dozen vids on you tube doing the same thing to ge cops check him out. his name is boyscout somthing

[MarcSpaz]

He has live a dozen vids on you tube doing the same thing to ge cops check him out. his name is boyscout somthing

Now that is good to know. If that is the case, it sounds like this guy could be known by the police as an instigator. If he has many videos of this, I have to assume he is looking for trouble.

[MarcSpaz]

Well, he only posted 3 videos in 7 years on you tube.

[WRW]

In the OP video, the reason for the stop, given by the officer, was that a citizen called about a man carrying a gun. No mention was made of threatening gestures to my knowledge.

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[gunderwood]

I support your right to OC, but I will not stand behind some snotty nosed kid that likes to makes videos of him self doing things to get the attention of the police so that he can make a stand on his legal rights.

The alternative explanation is that the cops like harassing law abiding citizens who exercise their rights and ordinary citizens must be extra knowledgeable to avoid institutionalized corruption and false arrest.

It's all about who you give the benefit of the doubt. The founders gave it to the People and I agree...they're supposed to work for us, not subjugate us.

In the OP video, the reason for the stop, given by the officer, was that a citizen called about a man carrying a gun. No mention was made of threatening gestures to my knowledge.

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Gotta provide evidence of such claims.

[MarcSpaz]

We have "The Bill of Rights" to protect us, but unfortunately most law makers and "some" law enforcement officials seem to think it was renamed "The Bill Of Privileges That Can Be Revoked At Any Time For Any Reason".

They seemed to have lost sight of the fact that The Bill of Rights states what the government can and cannot do, and asserts the rights of the people, which no law or government action should interfere with or infringe upon.