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He had a Sig, a Glock and an AR15.

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What’s wrong? What’s causing so much of this abominable behavior? Well, we seem to be breeding more irresponsible, sociopathic idiots. But why is that? I don’t pretend to know, but I do wonder how much the following factors may have to do with it:
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1. The spread of the victim mentality: “Poor, pitiful me; I am unappreciated and ill-used because the same rules apply to me that apply to everybody else and it’s not my fault I suck compared to all the others.”
2. The entitlement mentality: “I ought to have all I want without working (or perhaps even asking) for it; and if I don’t get it I’m entitled to compensation or revenge or both.”
3. The decline of face-to-face interpersonal relationships: They e-mail. They text. They twit. They Facebook post. They hide behind aliases on various computer forums without ever having to look the other party in the face and deal first-hand with the consequences of their statements and actions. They just don’t get enough practice at dealing with people. And they never have occasion to learn from experience how to carry home an ass-whupping because they let their mouth overload their ass and still suck it up and show up face-to-face the next day.
4. The rise of the couch potato: No (or not nearly enough) physical activity with real people whereby they can develop dispute resolution and mutual accommodation skills and work off frustrations and animosities.
5. The decline of parental guidance and control: Not enough supervision and/or not close enough supervision by parents of their kids. The near (or even actual) criminalization of corporal punishment by parents of their children. That needs to remain as the “nuclear option” in every parent’s disciplinary arsenal; but many have abandoned this.
6. The wasteland of gratuitously violent and gory video gaming activities available to young minds-full-of-mush. It desensitizes them to violence and gore. It trivializes the pointing and firing of a weapon and the aftermath thereof. It renders the act of murder theoretical, trivial and even temporary; because the “people” (or monsters, or whatever they are killing in a given game) typically die for a while and then get up and get back in the game.
7. Our precious ever-rising standard of living, which is a function both of rising affluence and advancing manufacturing technology. Even the so-called “poor” have color TVs, gaming systems, computers, automobiles, air conditioning, housing, and so forth that the poor (and even the lower middle class) in the rest of the world do not have and can’t afford. That’s not a bad thing. But it also means that even poor people can afford weapons that were simply too expensive for most folks to own as recently as the 1950s and 1960s. Maybe I’m wrong about this, or maybe my experience is skewed by the chronically poor economy where I grew up, but it seems to me that when I was a boy, semiautomatic weapons were vanishingly rare. Most folks made do with a bolt or lever action rifle and a double-barrel or pump shotgun or a revolver. Now it seems that every two-bit thug and every teen-age punk has an AR and/or a Glock. That’s kind of scary; because the gun-grabbers will pursue this train of thought straight to prohibition just as they did following the abuse of automatic weapons by the likes of Bonnie and Clyde in the 1920s and 1930s.

Thats some crazy stuff. I was getting a haircut when it all happened. Not a care in the world.


(Unrelated note, I was armed at the time.)

http://i.imgur.com/FaoBg.jpg
why he did not just killed himself?

Another crazy SOB who should have just killed himself first , but didn't have the balls for that so he ruined the lives of so many innocent people !

Dormin, as usual, I believe that you've picked up on some important points.

Point 3, by the way, is why I insist on ignoring the self checkout counters at the grocery store. I'm a bit of a hermit, so I get my human contact from the cashiers and baggers (also, part of the cost of my food goes to pay for those cashiers and baggers; I want to get what I pay for!) But, I've been pointing out, for years, that lack of face-to-face human contact will bring about negative consequences.

The commentary on never having to carry a whuppin reminds me that my father had access to a boxing ring in high school. While boxing was one of the school sports, this ring also served as the main forum in which disputes between students were handled.

Point 5 is also a very good point. Growing up, most offenses were "spanking offenses" in my parents house. And, that sort of thing works. My fathers greatest error in raising me was letting me know when I was too old for spankings. I became quite the rebel at that point.

Kelu, interesting screenie there. Looks like the shooters "friends" were egging him on.

One armed person could have stopped this terrible tragedy.

Ehhh, I doubt the shooter was on THAT website. It's not like a snapshot from his facebook or anything, but I'll just say it's one of the "Anonymous" websites you may hear about.

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Reports are saying that all the weapons were owned and registered to his mother, Nancy. I had a feeling this creep stole the weapons from somewhere to use them.

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New reports from Hanity say that the shooter had Autism, a personality disorder and he stole the guns from his mother.

This has nothing to do with law abiding citizens or the types of weapons sold and everything to do with mental illness.

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VACoastie wrote:Ehhh, I doubt the shooter was on THAT website. It's not like a snapshot from his facebook or anything, but I'll just say it's one of the "Anonymous" websites you may hear about.

That looks like just a straight 4Chan feed. Might be true.

What's wrong with the USA? No community. Broken mental health care system. Lack of responsibility by the people we put in charge of those systems (not the doctors - the bureaucrats.)

Dormin - you are correct on every point. I would add chasing God out of everything isn't helping either. (I apologize in advance if that comment violates the rules here)

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dorminWS, you forgot that kids are being medicated so the teachers and part-time parents have the convenience of having sedated kids that wont challenge them the way an alert energetic kid might.
I am always shocked to hear how may of the kids I know are on ritalin.

These are just becoming to coincidental to be random acts of violence. Wouldnt doubt there is something far more sinister behind them.

That being said we need to talk these people into killing themselves before other people.

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VACoastie wrote:We know how these mass shootings go too. It's gone for 4-5 months, some nut job gets the idea to kill 10 people and himself, then the next guy tries to out-do his "score."

Strange you mention that, I stumbled upon the "score" a few days ago looking up something.

It is ranked like a video-game, this is Anders Breivikes score:

(site NOT nsfw)

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Anders_Behring_Breivik

Born February 13, 1979
Nationality Norway
Highscore Killed 93, now revised to 77
Injured 96, 151

Style FPS, Single Player / Bomberman
An Hero No (Surrendered)
Title Justiciar Knight Commander of the Knights Templar
Rank 1st Place!11!
2nd: Woo Bum-kon
3rd: Martin Bryant
4th: Cho Seung-Hui 14th: Tim Kretschmer
17th: Nidal Malik Hasan

The weird thing is the "top two" were dressed as cops (the second one actually was a cop in South Korea that snapped while on duty and killed 53 people) and both used the uniforms to lull people and get them close to kil them.

SpanishInquisition wrote:Kelu, interesting screenie there. Looks like the shooters "friends" were egging him on.

One armed person could have stopped this terrible tragedy.

There are no friends on /b/.

OK. Just watched Fox News this am. Two things that either I missed or that have just come out prompt me to revisit my diatribe of yesterday:

- The shooter was from a broken home. Daddy remarried and gone; Mom raising the boy. Part of decline of parental control- or more precisely I guess the higher divorce rate contributes to POP (p!as poor parenting). They just as I was typing said he was an EXPERT GAMER. Need I say more?

- The boy had Aspberger' s syndrome. That prompts me to say there should have been a point 8 in my original post. It is my impression that there has been a nationwide movement to take the mentally ill out of institutions and keep them "in the community" because it is, in the opinion of the shrinks, in the best interest of the patients. It also saves the state's a butt- load of money, which makes it easier to sell to legislators. But does it put more people out into the community who are, because of the factors I have posited (and perhaps others), potential mass mass murderers?

dorminWS wrote:What’s wrong? What’s causing so much of this abominable behavior? Well, we seem to be breeding more irresponsible, sociopathic idiots. But why is that? I don’t pretend to know, but I do wonder how much the following factors may have to do with it:
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I agree with pretty much everything you said. I honestly believe people not having to work hard enough to stay alive anymore has a lot to do with it. Idle hands are the devil's playthings. Not even 100 years ago, everyone in the family worked hard all day long so they could stay alive. There wasn't time to come up with this kinda crap. Heck, I'd most people under 25 today don't know what it is like to spend the day out working on the farm with no payment but your meal that night, and not EXPECTING any payment.

Kreutz wrote: There are no friends on /b/.

Hence the quotation marks, Kreutz.

If this is all valid regarding the shooters disability, it's just that more scary. My son has Asperger's as well. I am divorced from his mom as well.

He lived with us for some time until he started reacting violently in the house and we feared for safety of our then two year old. He subsequently moved down to his mom's.

He's had one major event involving a weapon (knife) that landed him in psychiatric evaluation for a week or so. They are still trying to manage his medications to help control his rapid mood swings.

I always kept a tight control of our guns in the house because of our children, but particularly him. I'm wondering if the shooter's mom did the same? Doesn't appear to be the case.