The movement to secede has started.

[Kreutz]

To be perfectly honest I don't hate non-whites, I hate the effect they collectively have had in creating a special interest society at the expense of white Americans.

To be further honest I blame white liberals and industrialists for helping them do it.

I consider forced integration this nations first foot in the grave. The fact it was literally forced at gun-point and with lawsuits should tell you volumes about how welcome it was...and this was not just in the old Confederacy states. It cannot be a coincedence its been all downhill from there.

This country is huge and rich enough in resources to essentially be capable of the holy grail of isolationism; autarky. There was always enough to go around for anyone willing to work for it, but that wasn't good enough, disparate peoples had to be forced to live and work alongside one another whether they wanted to or not.

Thats just not respectful of freedom.


Also, please keep in mind the racism directed against whites is far from "hardly veiled"; its aggressively in our faces day in day out. Blame us for getting pissed too?

[mamabearCali]

Cowboy T, the only time I see race brought up in this forum it is usually brought up by one of the more liberal members of the board. Usually it is used to insinuate racism or outright accuse another person of racism....I don't call people bad names, even those I think wish to destroy the country I love.


This is a large forum, however so it possible that I have missed the posts of which you speak.

The amount of melanin in our presidents skin matters not one whit to me. What mattered to me were his policies which I think will be disastrous not matter if he was lily white or green with purple pokadots. There is truely only one race any way, th human kind.

I am just tired of hearing about bottoms and bottom balm, and all the varied connotations that might have. If you get tired of hearing something or find something crass you are free to say so.

What do I think you were gloating over? Well it was apparent to me that you seemed to take delight in our anger at Romneys loss.

Good day to you sir.

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[gunderwood]

If this country follows the path of USSR (and it looks like it does), it won't be a secession, it will be a dissolution.

Balkanization is the most likely outcome, this is correct.

Not exactly a new idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Panarin

[scrubber3]

Cowboy, you sir are one of the reasons I hate liberals. Biggest hypocrites I've ever seen.

Mamabear, don't fret over it. You just look after yours. Typical lib he is. Call him out on something and he starts with the finger pointing and calling names.

[CowboyT]

Cowboy T, the only time I see race brought up in this forum it is usually brought up by one of the more liberal members of the board. Usually it is used to insinuate racism or outright accuse another person of racism....I don't call people bad names, even those I think wish to destroy the country I love.

Sadly, when I've seen it brought up, it's been by Confederacy-worshipers either insinuating or outright claiming that non-whites are the source of virtually all our problems in this country.

This is a large forum, however so it possible that I have missed the posts of which you speak.

Actually, in the thread I presented, you did post in it. Might've been a good time to perhaps mention, "hey folks, if we're going to call ourselves Christians, let's follow the Golden Rule." Just sayin'....

The amount of melanin in our presidents skin matters not one whit to me. What mattered to me were his policies which I think will be disastrous not matter if he was lily white or green with purple pokadots. There is truely only one race any way, th human kind.

Then I wish more people on this board shared your attitude. Sadly, the Confederacy-worshipers 'round here do seem to be die-hards.

I am just tired of hearing about bottoms and bottom balm, and all the varied connotations that might have. If you get tired of hearing something or find something crass you are free to say so.

And that's why I'd asked moderators here--even Rick himself--to rein people in when they'd go off on their mean-spirited "Michelle Obama = Chewbacca/Chewbiatcha" rants. Wasn't done; indeed, that behaviour got stepped up and encouraged, and I'd hope you'd agree with me that this behaviour should be considered unacceptable. Criticize the policies, yes, but not the person's physical appearance.

And this sort of thing isn't new, sadly. A couple of years ago, Rima Fatih, a beautiful American woman of Lebanese descent (her family moved here to escape persecution when she was younger) won the Miss USA pageant. What was she called on this board? "Miss Shiite Muslim America", and dripping with scorn. Folks posted pictures of previous White winners either insinuating or straight-up claiming that we needed to go back to "real American", i. e. White, women.

Sadly, yes, that mindset does infect this forum. I wish it didn't. You spoke of your observation that the only time race is brought up, it's by Liberals. Unfortunately, the only time I ever hear "secession" brought up, it's by Confederacy-worshipers, Klan sympathizers, members of white-supremacist sites like StormFront, etc. Yes, I will heap scorn upon that "AAAA!! WE NEED TO SECEDE!!!1!!!" mentality, because we've been there already. It's the same mentality that the Romney supporters at Ole Miss recently used to start that riot. Truly shameful. And that's why I laugh with scorn at such stupidity, and I'd hoped that others here would also view that entire ridiculous mindset with equal scorn. Because that's what it deserves--scorn.

What do I think you were gloating over? Well it was apparent to me that you seemed to take delight in our anger at Romneys loss.

Nope. You're hurt right now because your candidate didn't win, so the association's understandable. But actually, I was laughing at the stupidity about that "WE GOTTA SECEEEEDE!!11!!" nonsense in these other states, per the above paragraph. To my knowledge, we're not doing that in Virginia--I hope we're not!--and if we are, then it's equally silly.

Good day to you sir.

Good day to you as well, Ma'am.

[Reverenddel]

You keep tossing that "Golden Rule" around like you follow it.

I don't see it. I see your ilk taking my hard earned cash by force to the unfettered masses who WILL NOT do for themselves.

And since you're such a "Christian". Remember these...

“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for
sweet, and sweet for bitter!”
(Isaiah 5:20)

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
(Matthew 7:6)

God Bless Yer heart.

[dorminWS]

@ CowboyT:

You're starting to get on my nerves, young man. I don't want to start a pissing match or a cussing fight, and I've tried hard to just ignore what you're doing, but I'm running out of tolerance.

According to you, anybody who criticizes Obama is a racist; and anybody who is not ashamed of his southern heritage is an uber-racist "Confederacy-worshipper". I've got some news for you, sonny-boy: That's bigotry, too. I do not and would never have anything to do with the Ku Klux Klan or any other similar outfit. But I am not ashamed of and do not apologize for being proud of my southern heritage. And I DO NOT regard the Stars and Bars as a hateful symbol. Some misguided people have misused it, but it is a banner under which the like of Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson fought for a cause much broader than slavery, and I refuse to treat it with the same disdain that the "N-word" is accorded. At the same time, I am aware that some people find it offensive and I therefore do not display it and wave it around. Remember, Old Glory is also a banner under which slavery was practiced until 1863.

If you're trying to win hearts and minds, let me assure you your efforts are counterproductive in the extreme. Go be the thought police somewhere folks are more amenable. Your sanctimony is becomeing unbearable - at least to me. Please give it a rest.

[scrubber3]

CowboyT, give it an F'n rest. If you know this is mainly a conservative site, then take your ass elsewhere. I'm sure someone somewhere wants to hear what you have to say, but we do not. Start up your own VA liberal gun owners forum and leave mamabear alone. Funny how the only person on this thread you're harassing is a woman isn't it?

[MrJog]

Bravo Cowboy. I enjoyed the picture.

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[MrJog]

Bravo Cowboy. I enjoyed the picture.

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[TacticalMom]

Whether secession is unlikely, impossible, silly, merely difficult or just expensive, I think it couldn't hurt for Obama to know there are hundreds of thousands of folks out there aggreived enough to sign a petition. It's good psychology, if nothing else.

That is almost to the T what I said Dormin, when I was asked about it. I was silly and posted this post on general discussion cause I did not think to look at the other threads... but here is what I was saying.

I won't go into whether I think one is right or wrong, but it is their right to petition. I think those people who are petitioning or calling for the signers of the petition to be stripped of their constitutional rights, and deported.

I would love to see what they would have to say if say a conservative passed a bill and they petitioned to have it dismissed, if people wanted to strip their rights and deport them. I know passing a bill and seceding are not on the same level, but it comes down to rights, rights to voice ones opinion/anger/distrust, and try to get something done about it.

[Mindflayer]

I had a long reply typed out, but then moved off the page to take care of work stuff and I'm not about to retype all my thoughts, so I'll keep it succinct (for me).

• Has AIG Rick stated that this is a conservatives-only forum? I don't recall ever seeing it. I know he is a conservative, but last time I checked, this is the "Virginia Gun Owners Forum", not the "Right-Wing-Christians-Real-Americans-Only-Own-1911s" forum or any such nonsense. It seems to me that we share a common interest in guns, owning guns, and protecting the right to own guns. Should we not welcome open discussion from all gun owners truly interested in a fruitful discourse?

• If we're not interested in having open discussions here, and the only voice that should be heard is the right-wing, Christian one, well then... slap a turban on your head and pop on over to Iran or Afghanistan. I hear they love theocracies.

• One of the things my father taught me growing up is the major difference between children and adults is that the latter understand there are consequences to their actions. My point? If you sling racist comments - especially thinly veiled ones - there will be fallout sooner or later. People remember that stuff, and will be in defensive mode. That's just reality.

• Come on, after all the other images that have been posted to the forum, one image gets all of your boxers and panties in a bunch? Opening the door for that kind of "humor", then slamming it in someone's face because you don't agree with the sentiment, is immature.

As to the secession requests - yes, the idea of secession is kind of silly, but I understand the frustration. That said, maybe these states need to elect the right folks. As long as we remained tied to a two party system, that won't happen. Posting it right after the election also seems knee-jerk pouty, "I'm taking my marbles home." The right time to have done the petitions would have been after the NDAA was signed again, or when Obama said Due Process was out the window and started droning citizens, or when Obamacare was passed, or when any number of the executive orders he's signed took place.

[TacticalMom]

Cowboy T, the only time I see race brought up in this forum it is usually brought up by one of the more liberal members of the board. Usually it is used to insinuate racism or outright accuse another person of racism....I don't call people bad names, even those I think wish to destroy the country I love.

Sadly, when I've seen it brought up, it's been by Confederacy-worshipers either insinuating or outright claiming that non-whites are the source of virtually all our problems in this country.

This is a large forum, however so it possible that I have missed the posts of which you speak.

Actually, in the thread I presented, you did post in it. Might've been a good time to perhaps mention, "hey folks, if we're going to call ourselves Christians, let's follow the Golden Rule." Just sayin'....

The amount of melanin in our presidents skin matters not one whit to me. What mattered to me were his policies which I think will be disastrous not matter if he was lily white or green with purple pokadots. There is truely only one race any way, th human kind.

Then I wish more people on this board shared your attitude. Sadly, the Confederacy-worshipers 'round here do seem to be die-hards.

I am just tired of hearing about bottoms and bottom balm, and all the varied connotations that might have. If you get tired of hearing something or find something crass you are free to say so.

And that's why I'd asked moderators here--even Rick himself--to rein people in when they'd go off on their mean-spirited "Michelle Obama = Chewbacca/Chewbiatcha" rants. Wasn't done; indeed, that behaviour got stepped up and encouraged, and I'd hope you'd agree with me that this behaviour should be considered unacceptable. Criticize the policies, yes, but not the person's physical appearance.

And this sort of thing isn't new, sadly. A couple of years ago, Rima Fatih, a beautiful American woman of Lebanese descent (her family moved here to escape persecution when she was younger) won the Miss USA pageant. What was she called on this board? "Miss Shiite Muslim America", and dripping with scorn. Folks posted pictures of previous White winners either insinuating or straight-up claiming that we needed to go back to "real American", i. e. White, women.

Sadly, yes, that mindset does infect this forum. I wish it didn't. You spoke of your observation that the only time race is brought up, it's by Liberals. Unfortunately, the only time I ever hear "secession" brought up, it's by Confederacy-worshipers, Klan sympathizers, members of white-supremacist sites like StormFront, etc. Yes, I will heap scorn upon that "AAAA!! WE NEED TO SECEDE!!!1!!!" mentality, because we've been there already. It's the same mentality that the Romney supporters at Ole Miss recently used to start that riot. Truly shameful. And that's why I laugh with scorn at such stupidity, and I'd hoped that others here would also view that entire ridiculous mindset with equal scorn. Because that's what it deserves--scorn.

What do I think you were gloating over? Well it was apparent to me that you seemed to take delight in our anger at Romneys loss.

Nope. You're hurt right now because your candidate didn't win, so the association's understandable. But actually, I was laughing at the stupidity about that "WE GOTTA SECEEEEDE!!11!!" nonsense in these other states, per the above paragraph. To my knowledge, we're not doing that in Virginia--I hope we're not!--and if we are, then it's equally silly.

Good day to you sir.

Good day to you as well, Ma'am.

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"Sadly, when I've seen it brought up, it's been by Confederacy-worshipers either insinuating or outright claiming that non-whites are the source of virtually all our problems in this country."

Ok I grew up a good long time in California, and I was very very liberal for a time. I have seen both sides of the fence. Liberals hate conservatives, Conservatives hate them liberals. What I do know is "Confederacy - worshipers" is a derogatory term. Might as well call them slave loving crackers. What you say, your words mean a lot, I know a lot of my generation, and the coming generation do not understand this. You cannot complain about racism, name calling, and the like, while doing the same yourself and be considered anything but a racist and hypocrite.

I am a half Japanese, quarter Irish, and quarter Cherokee Indian. I am very pale skinned and I have green eyes. I have lived with both sides of the racism card. Japanese people don't consider me Japanese in Japan, cause I look to white, have lighter hair and green eyes. I got teased and called names. On base I was not safe either (you would think otherwise as base has a lot of mixed kids, and this was Alaska), kids would say I could not play cause I was "Yellow" and they did not like to have "Japs" play. My mother full Japanese had to deal with the worst kind of racism, where she was denied jobs, and otherwise harassed attacked. I have been harassed bye the "minority" African American, "majority" white, and "minority" Latin American people, why because I am White/Asian in their eyes in all parts of this country. Does this make me bitter? No, but it does help me to understand first hand that racism is. I have lived it, almost all my life. You know what those people are who are racist IGNORANT.

When you start calling people names like "Confederacy Worshipers" you are calling just that names. Reverse racism is still racism. Just cause it is ok, in society to be mean to white people cause they are not considered minorities does not make it right in any light, in any world. Just because there are less of a certain kinda of people in ethnicity "minorities" does not mean that the "majority" people should be picked on.

You used that phrase multiple times. How is that any different than the "Michelle Obama = Chewbacca/Chewbiatcha" that you are/were complaining about? You are using a term that is derogatory and mean hearted for people you do not agree with, people you do not believe is right, and telling the whole of the forum that their opinions do not matter. You are doing exactly what you dislike. It makes your argument less than effective.

"Sadly, yes, that mindset does infect this forum. I wish it didn't. You spoke of your observation that the only time race is brought up, it's by Liberals. Unfortunately, the only time I ever hear "secession" brought up, it's by Confederacy-worshipers, Klan sympathizers, members of white-supremacist sites like StormFront, etc. Yes, I will heap scorn upon that "AAAA!! WE NEED TO SECEDE!!!1!!!" mentality, because we've been there already. It's the same mentality that the Romney supporters at Ole Miss recently used to start that riot. Truly shameful. And that's why I laugh with scorn at such stupidity, and I'd hoped that others here would also view that entire ridiculous mindset with equal scorn. Because that's what it deserves--scorn."

Again you speak of a mindset that infects this forum, however, you don't see for yourself what your words do and say. You just equated those very people that you call "confederacy worshipers", Klan sympathizers, and members of white-supremacist sites. Again, you do not agree with the secession wishes but does it do your heart good to call those that want it negative names? I don't see any good coming of it.

I would think we are all adult enough here to know that just because some one signs a petition/s, that they are not all Racists that want all African Americans thrown in chains. I think we are all adult enough here to know that just because some (I am pointing at you Cowboy) have racial/racism views that differ from ours, that not all people who look like you, come from the same background as you, and speak like you believe every white male/female on this forum is a freaking slave loving white supremacist.

I hope and pray that you consider what you are saying. I am so tired of either being picked on because of my race/lack there of in others eyes, or being associated with things I find vile just cause the color of my skin does not match yours. I do not wish evil on others, and I do not blame the whole of society for the IGNORANCE of a few.

You Sir have stirred the Pot, and while I only know MamabearCali online, I have never known her to be mean, evil, spiteful, or racist.

For the record:
What I am tired of is the gloating. Before the election there were tweets and posts about starting riots, and killing white people if Romny won. Now that the opposition won, they don't win gracefully what do they do, they gloat, tell us to put butt cream on our asses, show pictures of people drinking tears of Republicans in victory, and basically flaunting it in our faces. Those mf'rs need to grow the frack up. They would throw a fit/loot/kill if they lost, but now that they have won, and the people not voting for their pick are upset understandably and they tell them to stop bitching cause they lost. Hell I don't see any of your "Confederacy Worshipers" or KKK lovers out there looting and shooting up the town. Think about it.

Another note and personal experience:
You know who I have found are the most understanding/forgiving/loving people are... Southerners, real southerners... they accept who you are, what you are, and move on. Who the hell cares is their mind set. If you ain't bothering me... This is just my experience. You know who seemed to have been the worst racists both ways, Northern Big City people. I have moved around a lot, lived in a lot of places, and have had the luck of dealing with some of the worst and best people in my life.

[Reverenddel]

I will be able to use my "Southern Grace", and be a gracious person.

The funny thing about the "Liberals" on this site? They forget that there was another time when people talked about seceding... The LIBERALS screamed about it after BUSH won a SECOND TERM!

Clear your OWN house before you besmirch mine.

To explain to those NOT born, and bred in the South.

South Carolina was the state that left because of a desire to keep slavery. Virginia left because of the oppressive Federalism that was rearin' it's ugly head. Even NEW YORK talked of secession. So it wasn't 100% about SLAVERY! Contrary to what you learned in Socialistic Schools where you're from originally!

However, once Grant, and Sherman were done with the South, and burned Richmond to the ground, generation upon generation of Southern born folk have an immediate distrust of big government, and Federalist mentality.

When the Reconstruction included many from the "Federalist Mentality" AKA "Carpet baggers" Who came to do nothing but take advantage of a disadvantaged people, we grew to distrust anyone who came seeking profit, or "relief" from another state.

What we cannot tolerate are those who chide us, and treat us like "unintelligent children" as if they had some wisdom that their culture passed along.

The "Come Heres" who were a later development were those that discovered a genteel mannerism in Southern Culture, a streak of self-respect for doing it right the first time, and the ability to do it for one's self, took to it, and embraced it. Those of us born, and bred Southerners like "Come-heres".

As I told a Carpetbagger once, "You can believe your talent is better than mine, but an example of a useless talent is a Concert Pianist stuck in the middle of the Amazon jungle. What f'cking good does it do him there?"

And that is the same thought process in the political arena. Whatever worked in another region probably has been TRIED here in the past 200 YEARS of this country being around... You're not "Special" enough to have a different result.

[Mindflayer]

Reverenddel - what if you were raised with no home to call your own, since you moved every few years thanks to a father in the military, but you chose to live in Virginia? What if it has been your home for [umm, a long time] and you'd choose to live in no other state? (Well, until we have kids and the wife may decide we need to move back to her home state of MI...

Does that make me a "Come Here"?

[Reverenddel]

As long as you don't bitch about the culture, or the people that have been born, and bred here, yer a "come-here".

If you act like a jackwagon about it with plans to leave eventually? yer a "transplant" (taking what you need till you retire, or leave)

if you stay? Carpetbagger.