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Willing to bet the Admin is pushing this in order to gain favor at the voting booth ,, Obama's ass is in a blender this time and they're trying to befreind any group they can to get some extra votes....The last thing we need is to encourage any of that special treatment crap for another thankless group we can do without.

VBshooter wrote:Willing to bet the Admin is pushing this in order to gain favor at the voting booth ,, Obama's ass is in a blender this time and they're trying to befreind any group they can to get some extra votes....The last thing we need is to encourage any of that special treatment crap for another thankless group we can do without.

Naw, Muzzies hate him for being Israels lapdog, won't work. I think this just the bureaucrats at work as usual.

Plus Muslims are an insignificant demographic anyway.

Kreutz describes a situation exactly opposite the truth. Obama has worked against Israel, and bowed to Muslims, from his first day in office. Why do you do these things, Kreutz?

ABO 2012

FiremanBob wrote:Kreutz describes a situation exactly opposite the truth. Obama has worked against Israel, and bowed to Muslims, from his first day in office. Why do you do these things, Kreutz?

Have you ever suffered major head trauma? Or is it just chronic oralanal fusion syndrome?

Under Obama....

We're funding their Iron Dome short range missile defense syndrome. We can't even get a picket fence on the Mexican border.

Dragged on two wars against Muslim nations thus being beneficial to Israel and not us from day one. Three if ya count the Libya party.

Under direct orders by Obama the US worked with Israeli hackers to create the very powerful Stuxnet virus inflicted upon Iran. An awesome idea since viruses are totally controllable once unleashed....right?

A terrorist that launched a terrorist attack on an Israeli airliner was hunted down by US forces in Somalia. Our drones have been used in other occasions to slay their enemies.

Remember those 1 ton bunker busters even Bush refused to sell the Israelis? Obama shipped them on demand.

Obama has increased the cash we give that welfare state to record highs, despite the fact we be broke nigga.

That was off the top of my head, I'm sure there is more.

Answer me this, are you just lethally allergic to facts and rational thinking, or is your ignorance an inbred knee jerk reaction?

Kreutz figures, if he insults you enough and you don't respond because you're tired of responding to the same old hogwash and he doesn't listen anyway..., he wins...

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What left-wing isolation bubble does Kreutz get his news from? Leaving aside the inappropriate personal remarks:

1. Obama's first communication to Israel almost immediately after his immaculation was a demand that they stop building housing in East Jerusalem.

2. In 2010 Obama demanded that Israel accept a return to the 1967 borders as a precondition for negotiations with the Arabs.

3. In April 2009, Obama bowed from the waist before the Saudi king. When Netanyahu visited the White House, Obama cut their meeting short to have dinner with his family upstairs. Nobody thought of the insult, and nobody in the WH thought to feed the Israeli delegates. When, at their request some food was brought to them, it was not kosher and several could not eat it.

4. Obama's June, 2009 speech in Cairo was a complete kowtow to militant Islam, an apology for American policies that have protected and created enormous wealth for the Arabs , and a clear statement of who's side he favored.

5. Stuxnet and Flame were Bush-era projects that Obama was obligated to continue in cooperation with Israel in the same way that he was obligated to authorize the bin Laden hit. Only because exposure of a negative decision would be fatal to his re-election hopes did he do it.

6. Obama appointed Samantha Power, a firebrand anti-Semite, to the NSC and she has heavily influenced US policy as well as possibly acted as a leaker about confidential military plans.

7. Obama has required all agencies in the .gov to eliminate references to Islamic terrorism in their communications, including the whitewashing of the Arkansas jihadis and Nidal Hasan.

8. In March 2010, after Israel issued a permit for construction of apartments in East Jerusalem, Obama ordered H. Clinton to read the riot act to Netanyahu, which she did, including demands for releasing a large number of terrorist prisoners, lift the seige of Gaza, accept "right of return" for thousands of Arabs, and agree to put the division of Jerusalem on the top of the peace-talk agenda. Clinton said, "If you refuse these demands, the United States government will conclude that we no longer share the same interests."

9. Valerie Jarrett, Obama's mentor in the WH, makes no secret of her family's close ties to Jordan.

10. Last year, at the height of international tensions and sword-rattling by Iran, Obama's administration leaked a great deal of information about possible Israeli plans to destroy Iran's nuclear-bomb facilities, making it impossible for any action to be taken and providing comfort to the Irani regime, and said publicly that it would oppose any Israeli action, thereby broadcasting its intentions to Iran and the other Arabs.

Need any more?

Kreutz wrote:
Under direct orders by Obama the US worked with Israeli hackers to create the very powerful Stuxnet virus inflicted upon Iran. An awesome idea since viruses are totally controllable once unleashed....right?
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Answer me this, are you just lethally allergic to facts and rational thinking, or is your ignorance an inbred knee jerk reaction?

You mean to tell me Obama ordered the creation of Stuxnet 2 years before he took office???

http://www.spamfighter.com/News-17268-S ... persky.htm

I know you just can't seem to understand that you're so often wrong that it's humorous for most of us on this forum, but if you're going to look like a complete and utter buffoon, do yourself a favor and invest in a modicum of research before you go spouting off again.

It seems to me the ignorant and inbred knee jerk reaction is wholly yours.

FiremanBob wrote:What left-wing isolation bubble does Kreutz get his news from? Leaving aside the inappropriate personal remarks:

What "inappropriate remarks"? Israel is a welfare state. And an ebil Socialist one as stated in its constitution. Y u love socialisms?

1. Obama's first communication to Israel almost immediately after his immaculation was a demand that they stop building housing in East Jerusalem.

As did every other world leader, its a basic step towards peace to stop trampling your enemy for a bit.

2. In 2010 Obama demanded that Israel accept a return to the 1967 borders as a precondition for negotiations with the Arabs.

Source?

3. In April 2009, Obama bowed from the waist before the Saudi king. When Netanyahu visited the White House, Obama cut their meeting short to have dinner with his family upstairs. Nobody thought of the insult, and nobody in the WH thought to feed the Israeli delegates. When, at their request some food was brought to them, it was not kosher and several could not eat it.

Better a bow than this eh? How much tongue ya think?

4. Obama's June, 2009 speech in Cairo was a complete kowtow to militant Islam, an apology for American policies that have protected and created enormous wealth for the Arabs , and a clear statement of who's side he favored.

No, it wasn't. Thats your interpretation.

5. Stuxnet and Flame were Bush-era projects that Obama was obligated to continue in cooperation with Israel in the same way that he was obligated to authorize the bin Laden hit. Only because exposure of a negative decision would be fatal to his re-election hopes did he do it.

Get to that for the CCfans drivel.

6. Obama appointed Samantha Power, a firebrand anti-Semite, to the NSC and she has heavily influenced US policy as well as possibly acted as a leaker about confidential military plans.

But AIPAC running roughshod over Congress is OK?

7. Obama has required all agencies in the .gov to eliminate references to Islamic terrorism in their communications, including the whitewashing of the Arkansas jihadis and Nidal Hasan.

Source?

8. In March 2010, after Israel issued a permit for construction of apartments in East Jerusalem, Obama ordered H. Clinton to read the riot act to Netanyahu, which she did, including demands for releasing a large number of terrorist prisoners, lift the seige of Gaza, accept "right of return" for thousands of Arabs, and agree to put the division of Jerusalem on the top of the peace-talk agenda. Clinton said, "If you refuse these demands, the United States government will conclude that we no longer share the same interests."

DIplomacy.

9. Valerie Jarrett, Obama's mentor in the WH, makes no secret of her family's close ties to Jordan.

You do know Jordan is a US (and Israeli) ally right? of course you don't, you're you.

10. Last year, at the height of international tensions and sword-rattling by Iran, Obama's administration leaked a great deal of information about possible Israeli plans to destroy Iran's nuclear-bomb facilities, making it impossible for any action to be taken and providing comfort to the Irani regime, and said publicly that it would oppose any Israeli action, thereby broadcasting its intentions to Iran and the other Arabs.

you mean he spoke aloud the plainly obvious? Egads!

Need any more?

Yes actually I do. Not ones relying on your own interpretation either.

CCFan wrote:You mean to tell me Obama ordered the creation of Stuxnet 2 years before he took office???

http://www.spamfighter.com/News-17268-S ... persky.htm

I know you just can't seem to understand that you're so often wrong that it's humorous for most of us on this forum, but if you're going to look like a complete and utter buffoon, do yourself a favor and invest in a modicum of research before you go spouting off again.

It seems to me the ignorant and inbred knee jerk reaction is wholly yours.

Two years? You hate math for being a socialist cunspeeracy too?

From the Obama puppet(because it contradicts you its evil) PC World Magazine dated Sept 2010

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/a ... ogram.html

Though it was first developed more than a year ago(that would be 2009, over a year into BHOs Presidency since the math may hurt your head), Stuxnet was discovered in July 2010, when a Belarus-based security company discovered the worm on computers belonging to an Iranian client. Since then it has been the subject of ongoing study by security researchers who say they've never seen anything like it before. Now, after months of private speculation, some of the researchers who know Stuxnet best say that it may have been built to sabotage Iran's nukes.

Why must you speak when you never know the subject matter at hand?

Btw, you're trusting a Russian news source? For trustworthiness?

Kreutz wrote:

FiremanBob wrote:What left-wing isolation bubble does Kreutz get his news from? Leaving aside the inappropriate personal remarks:

What "inappropriate remarks"?Israel is a welfare state. And an ebil Socialist one as stated in its constitution. Y u love socialisms?

your comment to FmB:
"Answer me this, are you just lethally allergic to facts and rational thinking, or is your ignorance an inbred knee jerk reaction?"

reads like a personal derogation to me.
personal attacks do nothing to advance your viewpoint, imho.

Kreutz wrote:

FiremanBob wrote:What left-wing isolation bubble does Kreutz get his news from? Leaving aside the inappropriate personal remarks:

What "inappropriate remarks"? Israel is a welfare state. And an ebil Socialist one as stated in its constitution. Y u love socialisms?

1. Obama's first communication to Israel almost immediately after his immaculation was a demand that they stop building housing in East Jerusalem.

As did every other world leader, its a basic step towards peace to stop trampling your enemy for a bit.

2. In 2010 Obama demanded that Israel accept a return to the 1967 borders as a precondition for negotiations with the Arabs.

Source?

3. In April 2009, Obama bowed from the waist before the Saudi king. When Netanyahu visited the White House, Obama cut their meeting short to have dinner with his family upstairs. Nobody thought of the insult, and nobody in the WH thought to feed the Israeli delegates. When, at their request some food was brought to them, it was not kosher and several could not eat it.

Better a bow than this eh? How much tongue ya think?

4. Obama's June, 2009 speech in Cairo was a complete kowtow to militant Islam, an apology for American policies that have protected and created enormous wealth for the Arabs , and a clear statement of who's side he favored.

No, it wasn't. Thats your interpretation.

5. Stuxnet and Flame were Bush-era projects that Obama was obligated to continue in cooperation with Israel in the same way that he was obligated to authorize the bin Laden hit. Only because exposure of a negative decision would be fatal to his re-election hopes did he do it.

Get to that for the CCfans drivel.

6. Obama appointed Samantha Power, a firebrand anti-Semite, to the NSC and she has heavily influenced US policy as well as possibly acted as a leaker about confidential military plans.

But AIPAC running roughshod over Congress is OK?

7. Obama has required all agencies in the .gov to eliminate references to Islamic terrorism in their communications, including the whitewashing of the Arkansas jihadis and Nidal Hasan.

Source?

8. In March 2010, after Israel issued a permit for construction of apartments in East Jerusalem, Obama ordered H. Clinton to read the riot act to Netanyahu, which she did, including demands for releasing a large number of terrorist prisoners, lift the seige of Gaza, accept "right of return" for thousands of Arabs, and agree to put the division of Jerusalem on the top of the peace-talk agenda. Clinton said, "If you refuse these demands, the United States government will conclude that we no longer share the same interests."

DIplomacy.

9. Valerie Jarrett, Obama's mentor in the WH, makes no secret of her family's close ties to Jordan.

You do know Jordan is a US (and Israeli) ally right? of course you don't, you're you.

10. Last year, at the height of international tensions and sword-rattling by Iran, Obama's administration leaked a great deal of information about possible Israeli plans to destroy Iran's nuclear-bomb facilities, making it impossible for any action to be taken and providing comfort to the Irani regime, and said publicly that it would oppose any Israeli action, thereby broadcasting its intentions to Iran and the other Arabs.

you mean he spoke aloud the plainly obvious? Egads!

Need any more?

Yes actually I do. Not ones relying on your own interpretation either.

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