Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

Remington wrote:---decisively.

I like it! The VGOF editorial department has updated the title of the article to read:

"Knife-Wielding Perpetrator Dealt With Decisively"

Now, come on... *that* would sell newspapers!

marked8 wrote:Another account:

http://fredericksburg.patch.com/article ... tally-shot

Oh wow! The VGOF editorial department must have some clout - check out the headline in that article

"Knife-Wielding Panhandler Fatally Shot"

Noooo, what happen was the deputies, and the Magistrate probably "Clarified" for the Leftist paper writer... and then the editor said "Uh... if this turns around on us? We're gonna look stupid!"

I have found NEWSPAPERS to be MORE liberal than MEDIA! And they're the ones who have TIME to check the FACTS!

That's good reporting. Now what should we do with our printed first editions of the Freelance Star?

Remington wrote:That's good reporting. Now what should we do with our printed first editions of the Freelance Star?

Maybe we gather them up and march around Fredericksburg complaining that the Free Lance Star is run by a bunch of whacko's.

I'm glad this turned out ok. Scary thing is that retrieving a loaded weapon from the glove box (I'm assuming it was loaded w/ a round in the chamber) under stress is not something that is probably practiced often. In the close confines of a car, with a passenger, there is a great risk of covering a passenger, a bystander, or even yourself.

As uncomfortable as it might be, I usually carry on my person when I am in the car. This seems more natural for me instead of reaching across the seat to fumble through the glovebox. At the same time, if I have to leave the car in a hurry, I have the firearm on me.

Thoughts?

I don't want to seem unfriendly however I know this area very well. I used to have a retail store in that area a couple of years back. Earls True Value was the store that a postal worker had her throat cut and bled out. That attack was after closing. The perp was caught and convicted.

Here is my point. Anyone familiar with that area of Stafford would not hang out in the parking lot of Earls Hardware store after 8PM. It is a hornets nest and spend enough time there you will get stung.

Just because someone has a concealed carry permit should not provide them an incentive to hang out anywhere they want. The guy and girl were very fortunate that the dead guy brought a knife to a gun fight and not the common weapon of choice...a 357. Otherwise we would have had a dead girl and a dead guy holding a concealed carry permit.

bryanrheem wrote:
As uncomfortable as it might be, I usually carry on my person when I am in the car. This seems more natural for me instead of reaching across the seat to fumble through the glovebox. At the same time, if I have to leave the car in a hurry, I have the firearm on me.

Thoughts?

Typically, I open carry, so I tend to have my gun strapped on. However, there are some places that I go where my gun is not allowed. In those cases, my holstered gun rides tucked into my split bench seat, where I can easily reach it. Further, I remain aware of my surroundings, and can normally get to movin' should things begin to appear sketchy. Williamsburg is quite the sketchy place.... those little old Yankee women can be SCARY!

Who sits in a car in a hardware store parking lot for 15+ mins?

lonestarag wrote:Who sits in a car in a hardware store parking lot for 15+ mins?

What does it matter?

NewColonial wrote:

lonestarag wrote:Who sits in a car in a hardware store parking lot for 15+ mins?

What does it matter?

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Precisely.

The salient point here is that sitting in a publicly-accessible parking lot is a legal activity whether it is a productive use of time and a prudent act at the time and in the place it is done or not. Even if the man and woman doing it were having a lover's quarrel or groping each other, the act of sitting there breaks no law and is something they are perfectly entitled to do. Panhandling, assault, and battery are not.

lonestarag wrote:Who sits in a car in a hardware store parking lot for 15+ mins?

Who asks for money, comes back 15 min later in hardware store parking lot trying to stab/rob someone? If anything the victim did the world a favor... Just wonder how many other pll he had robbed before he finally got what was coming his way..

joeshmo wrote:
If anything the victim did the world a favor...

By "victim", I assume you mean the guy who did the shooting?

From where I sit, I see no victim. I see a predator and a man who refused to be a victim.

SHMIV wrote:

joeshmo wrote:
If anything the victim did the world a favor...

By "victim", I assume you mean the guy who did the shooting?

From where I sit, I see no victim. I see a predator and a man who refused to be a victim.

Yes, he was a victim of a man trying to rob/stab him.

Glad it didn't happen to me, but I would not be "standing next to the vehicle with weapon in hand when deputies arrived."

That could be interpreted as threatening by the LEOs. I would put the firearm on the seat or on my truck's tonneau cover, and be empty-handed when they pulled up.

From Dictionary.com:
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victim

noun

1. A person who suffers from a destructive or injurious action or agency: a victim of an automobile accident.
2. A person who is deceived or cheated, as by his or her own emotions or ignorance, by the dishonesty of others, or by some impersonal agency: a victim of misplaced confidence; the victim of a swindler; a victim of an optical illusion.
3. A person or animal sacrificed or regarded as sacrificed: war victims.
4. A living creature sacrificed in religious rites.
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I hate to be nit-picky, but part of the current state of affairs has much to do with a gradual changing of the language; the proper usage of words is important. It's such a small detail, but has large implications.

The guy who did the shooting was intended to be a victim, but he chose not to be. I suppose that one could make a case for either of the two men being a victim, but it's probably best to leave the word out entirely, unless preceded by the word "intended". For example, "The aggressor was justifiably shot by his intended victim."

FiremanBob wrote:Glad it didn't happen to me, but I would not be "standing next to the vehicle with weapon in hand when deputies arrived."

That could be interpreted as threatening by the LEOs. I would put the firearm on the seat or on my truck's tonneau cover, and be empty-handed when they pulled up.

Hanging out by a dead man while holding a gun does seem less than wise. However, the dead guy had a friend, remember. Until the police showed up, the reappearance of the friend was a very real threat.

SHMIV wrote:From Dictionary.com:
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victim

noun

1. A person who suffers from a destructive or injurious action or agency: a victim of an automobile accident.
2. A person who is deceived or cheated, as by his or her own emotions or ignorance, by the dishonesty of others, or by some impersonal agency: a victim of misplaced confidence; the victim of a swindler; a victim of an optical illusion.
3. A person or animal sacrificed or regarded as sacrificed: war victims.
4. A living creature sacrificed in religious rites.
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I hate to be nit-picky, but part of the current state of affairs has much to do with a gradual changing of the language; the proper usage of words is important. It's such a small detail, but has large implications.

The guy who did the shooting was intended to be a victim, but he chose not to be. I suppose that one could make a case for either of the two men being a victim, but it's probably best to leave the word out entirely, unless preceded by the word "intended". For example, "The aggressor was justifiably shot by his intended victim."

The guy tried to stab him.... Of course he is a victim of attemted murder or grave bodily injury. lol.. He chose not to be a victim? Try merian webster next time.. Obviously you dont understand the meaning of victim. What you wrote is your interperation of the word "victim," dont try to force it on others and quote one online dictionary.. There are many more definition than one source

Also if he was not a "victim" of a crime and just shot the guy he would be going to jail. lol

Okay, from Merriam-Webster.com:
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Definition of VICTIM
1
: a living being sacrificed to a deity or in the performance of a religious rite
2
: one that is acted on and usually adversely affected by a force or agent <the schools are victims of the social system>: as a (1) : one that is injured, destroyed, or sacrificed under any of various conditions <a victim of cancer> <a victim of the auto crash> <a murder victim> (2) : one that is subjected to oppression, hardship, or mistreatment <a frequent victim of political attacks> b : one that is tricked or duped <a con man's victim>
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Not much different.

You may note that I conceded that one could make a case for either man being properly referred to as a victim. I understand the meaning of the word, as well as your interpretation, quite clearly, thank you.

I was simply suggesting that "victim" was, perhaps, not the best choice of word. But, I accept your stand, while holding my own stand. Let's get back to celebrating one less predator on the street