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CCFan wrote:Methinks Mr Krootz has worked in Mr O's utopian healthcare-reffic society for so long that when you put forth the facts of how the world really works, he just can't possibly place any of the blame on those folks he votes for...

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You can have fun in the Conservative utopia of Somalia too.

I forgot to mention none of that separation of church and state Commie pinko crap there either, inshallah.

You're confusing a federal government that is currently a nanny-state mandating, tax spending monstrosity composed of out of touch politicians with the limited government that used to exist here where govt employees volunteered their time in order to promote a strong defense, leaving the states to their own devices. And, you are trying to compare that with a non-existant government.

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Is Kreutz merely stupid or does he think that we are so stupid we can't see through his dishonesty? Let's see now...

To compare an originalist view of Constitutional America to a violent anarchy like Somalia is ridiculous. In fact, it is beneath ridiculous. It only serves to make Kreutz look bad. So if he were smart, he wouldn't have made that post. Therefore I'll go with the first choice.

FiremanBob wrote:Is Kreutz merely stupid or does he think that we are so stupid we can't see through his dishonesty? Let's see now...

To compare an originalist view of Constitutional America to a violent anarchy like Somalia is ridiculous. In fact, it is beneath ridiculous. It only serves to make Kreutz look bad. So if he were smart, he wouldn't have made that post. Therefore I'll go with the first choice.

If its so ridiculous why respond? Admit it; TeaParty-topia is Somalia.

All I hear from teatards is the gubbermint is ebil, taxus are ebil, regumalations are ebil, Obamurrercare is ebil, duh homo cibbil unions is ebil, more stupid sh!t is ebil, blah blah, and I cant help but notice there is a place on Earth where none of this nanny-state malfeasance threatens its populace: Somalia!

It should be a utopia since it embodies every single one of your ideals, yet its a fckin disaster. Can it perhaps be that your ideals, like Communism fall into the "looks good on paper, doesn't work in reality" category? Methinks so. Remember, if your "originalist Constituional America" was so wonderful it would have never been changed.

Lets look at places that embody my ideals, like a progressive tax system, strong central government, universal healthcare being the norm and markets are regulated shall we?

Germany

South Korea

The UK

Denmark

Japan

Canada

Norway

Belgium

And many more!

Well, you can pick between actually nice places to live that share my values, or the Mad Max hellhole that embodies yours.

If Somalia isn't to your liking may I suggest its sister-states in dysfunctionalism Afghanistan, Yemen, Sierra Leone, Chad, Haiti, Zimbabwe, etc.?)

None of these have any of the hallmarks of modern government...something you should totally love.

CCFan wrote:You're confusing a federal government that is currently a nanny-state mandating, tax spending monstrosity composed of out of touch politicians with the limited government that used to exist here where govt employees volunteered their time in order to promote a strong defense, leaving the states to their own devices. And, you are trying to compare that with a non-existant government.

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Somalia has an existing government. Its just "small enough to drown in a bathtub" after all.

Thats what Tea Party Dude Grover Norquist wants for America (which no one from the Republican/tea party denounced btw) so, you're not really refuting anything there.

No point feeding the troll. His ridiculous statements and outright lies reveal him with sufficient eloquence that no embellishment is required.

FiremanBob wrote:No point feeding the troll. His ridiculous statements and outright lies reveal him with sufficient eloquence that no embellishment is required.

In other words, "I'm beat so I better just dismiss it and run away".

Mogadishu, it beckons:



And look, no fascist job killin' EPA, the abolishment of which was every single Republican primary candidates pledge!

Man, I don't think it has a functional airport, so you may have to go overland from Kenya. Now, the Kenyans have the border fairly militarized (no doubt to keep the freedom from Somalia from infiltrating it), so be careful!

I'll do you one better, Krootz. I would be perfectly happy if we cut 2/3 of our govt employees. How's that? Norquist... Ha.

Oh, and if you go ahead and move to one of those strong central gub'mints with free healthcare, leave us your guns...

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Kreutz reminds me of the old man who used to stand at the bottom of the escalator between the Pan Am building and Grand Central Station in NYC, ranting at the top of his lungs and gesticulating to all the commuters. He won't stop regardless of how nonsensical and false his ravings are, and any response will merely spur him to greater levels of obnoxious comments, no matter how false.

No, Kreutz, to engage you I'd have to climb down into the levels of slime that you enjoy inhabiting, but no person who respects facts and logic would tolerate. And I won't tolerate it, so good-bye. You can tell all the lies and sputter all the insults you want until whoever controls this site has had enough of you, but I'm not going to bother with you any longer. Your posts tell us all we need to know about you. I will, however, ridicule you occasionally, if it amuses me at the time.

FiremanBob wrote:Kreutz reminds me of the old man who used to stand at the bottom of the escalator between the Pan Am building and Grand Central Station in NYC, ranting at the top of his lungs and gesticulating to all the commuters. He won't stop regardless of how nonsensical and false his ravings are, and any response will merely spur him to greater levels of obnoxious comments, no matter how false.

No, Kreutz, to engage you I'd have to climb down into the levels of slime that you enjoy inhabiting, but no person who respects facts and logic would tolerate. And I won't tolerate it, so good-bye. You can tell all the lies and sputter all the insults you want until whoever controls this site has had enough of you, but I'm not going to bother with you any longer. Your posts tell us all we need to know about you. I will, however, ridicule you occasionally, if it amuses me at the time.

Well said!

CCFan wrote:I'll do you one better, Krootz. I would be perfectly happy if we cut 2/3 of our govt employees. How's that? Norquist... Ha.

Oh, and if you go ahead and move to one of those strong central gub'mints with free healthcare, leave us your guns...

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2/3 fedgov employees matters little. A strong government can and should be efficient. Public unions definitely kill efficiency.

RE moving:

I tried, the wife refused to move. Mein herz Schmerz für Deutschland!

FiremanBob wrote:Kreutz reminds me of the old man who used to stand at the bottom of the escalator between the Pan Am building and Grand Central Station in NYC, ranting at the top of his lungs and gesticulating to all the commuters. He won't stop regardless of how nonsensical and false his ravings are, and any response will merely spur him to greater levels of obnoxious comments, no matter how false.

No, Kreutz, to engage you I'd have to climb down into the levels of slime that you enjoy inhabiting, but no person who respects facts and logic would tolerate. And I won't tolerate it, so good-bye. You can tell all the lies and sputter all the insults you want until whoever controls this site has had enough of you, but I'm not going to bother with you any longer. Your posts tell us all we need to know about you. I will, however, ridicule you occasionally, if it amuses me at the time.

Sooooo...no overland journey into freedumb for you then? Damn, well, whats another hypocrite on our soil?

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FiremanBob wrote:No point feeding the troll. His ridiculous statements and outright lies reveal him with sufficient eloquence that no embellishment is required.

In other words, "I'm beat so I better just dismiss it and run away".

Mogadishu, it beckons:



And look, no fascist job killin' EPA, the abolishment of which was every single Republican primary candidates pledge!

Man, I don't think it has a functional airport, so you may have to go overland from Kenya. Now, the Kenyans have the border fairly militarized (no doubt to keep the freedom from Somalia from infiltrating it), so be careful!

I thought that was an "occupy" park!


LOL