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Re: Let's suppose...

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dorminWS wrote:I'd hope the states would intervene on behalf of their citizens in such a case. Some would; some not. I can see Virginia in that fight, for instance, but not New York, Illinois or Massachusetts.

This is the type of thing that people feel very strongly about and I am betting that they would not take kindly to. I wonder (not hoping in the least), but I wonder if this would be serious enough of an issue if they tried to push it through that you would see a split in the US. Is this something serious enough to cause the southern and western states to say "you are not abiding by the constitution that we agreed to, so we are out?" I don't wish for this (want to be clear) but it seems like a serious enough yet regional enough issue that it could happen. What do yall think?
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mamabearCali wrote:
This is the type of thing that people feel very strongly about and I am betting that they would not take kindly to. I wonder (not hoping in the least), but I wonder if this would be serious enough of an issue if they tried to push it through that you would see a split in the US. Is this something serious enough to cause the southern and western states to say "you are not abiding by the constitution that we agreed to, so we are out?" I don't wish for this (want to be clear) but it seems like a serious enough yet regional enough issue that it could happen. What do yall think?
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I had the same thought. Surely this would provoke some states to at least threaten to leave the Union based upon the fact that the Federal Government was no longer a valid authority by reason of having so exceeded their constitutional authority to have destroyed the Constitution which gave it existence. Of course, some would argue they've already done that long ago. To me, that's the scariest thing about the "liberals/progressives": they acknowledge NO limits to the powers of the state as long as it's prosecuting THEIR agenda. Maybe it boils down to whether they'll fail to fool enough of the people before they've established a totalitarian state so they don't have to.
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Re: Let's suppose...

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Perhaps we should all buy some sacrificial firearms (Hi-points, other cheap brands) to hand to the officer if they should ever arrive at our doorstep. "Mrs. Smith I see you had a concealed carry permit in 2012, we are here to confiscate your handgun. Oh, yes, here it is." And give them the $190 hi-point.
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mamabearCali wrote:Perhaps we should all buy some sacrificial firearms (Hi-points, other cheap brands) to hand to the officer if they should ever arrive at our doorstep. "Mrs. Smith I see you had a concealed carry permit in 2012, we are here to confiscate your handgun. Oh, yes, here it is." And give them the $190 hi-point.
That's a good idea, for those who can afford to sacrifice $190. I'm not one of those people, though.

Of course, that sort of thing is why I'm not inclined to get such a permit, anyway. Let them research me through my semi-anonymous internet postings, instead; that will make it a little more of a challenge for them.
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Sacrifice my hi-point? The thing is veritable Swiss army knife. I can use it to crack nuts, hammer in fence posts, or anchor an ocean tanker.

My main concern in the event of an "end game" gun ban wouldn't be confiscation....even in England many escaped that.

The real danger is ever having to use one of my now banned guns. If I had to fire on an intruder, well, gunshots are very loud and I'd be busted when the cops showed up eventually.

This is also the true danger in England. God help you if you shoot someone in self-defense there.
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Off topic--How is that high point working out for you Kreutz? Does it shoot ok? I know it is ugly as sin, but does it do the job?
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Kreutz wrote:
The real danger is ever having to use one of my now banned guns. If I had to fire on an intruder, well, gunshots are very loud and I'd be busted when the cops showed up eventually.
In which case, you may wish to keep a stack of fireworks and a deep hole handy.
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Off topic--How is that high point working out for you Kreutz? Does it shoot ok? I know it is ugly as sin, but does it do the job?
Accuracy is amazingly good (guess its the weight reducing recoil), but I've had two or three FTE's more than I'd like with steel case ammo, supposedly when broken in this will stop. Shoots brass just fine though. Maybe I need to buff up the feed ramp?

I keep it in my glove box with a round in the chamber, so, at least one shot is guaranteed to go off.


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Kreutz wrote:
The real danger is ever having to use one of my now banned guns. If I had to fire on an intruder, well, gunshots are very loud and I'd be busted when the cops showed up eventually.
In which case, you may wish to keep a stack of fireworks and a deep hole handy.

Clever, but man, I'm not handy enough to clean up blood, patch drywall, and hide bodies that quick. :whistle:
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Kreutz wrote:Clever, but man, I'm not handy enough to clean up blood, patch drywall, and hide bodies that quick. :whistle:
I read that and literally laughed out loud.
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If our republic ends.
It will be through the destruction of our economy, and most will gladly turn in their guns to feed themselves and their families.

This is the kind of control progressives are after. They know it us useless to force Americans any other way.
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Mmmmm....so let see I need to get a hi-point for a sacrificial offering, A .22 pellet gun so it is quieter and can hunt rabbits (and anything else that moves in that situation) with it, and the ammo is cheaper.

Then I keep the others to trade back for gov't food at some point, ok.

This thread is getting expensive.

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ratherfish wrote:If our republic ends.
It will be through the destruction of our economy, and most will gladly turn in their guns to feed themselves and their families.

This is the kind of control progressives are after. They know it us useless to force Americans any other way.
I would disagree with you as I would use my guns to feed my family and myself along with others of like mind.

a .22 shell is a very quite and efficient round
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Well if it ever comes down to that, would you really think they would be using search warrants. I'm pretty sure it will be no-knocks in the middle of the night and would have no problems killing everyone to make their NAZI propaganda. So if it ever does come down to this you might as well group together right when it happens to fight back. It will be harder in the big cities, but in the country it would be allot easier to band together and take care of "said checkpoints" until back up arrives. So then would be the start of guerrilla tactics, just like in "Red Dawn". So everone would have to dig deep and decide what they would want, to live under tyranny or to die fighting.

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I think NGG that if it started to look that way some would start to implement plans to make this confiscation as difficult as possible.

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BW1911 wrote:If there were a general ban (hypothetically) the first few folks arrested for possession at some checkpoint (similar to airline terminals, now) would be publicized heavily, most folks would generally stop carrying (and start burying?!?), and the "easy" seizures would dry up pretty fast.
I don't disagree - you would see an ever-spiralling war of countermeasure vs. counter-countermeasure. Much like how the drug war has worked for the last seven decades. (But don't forget, there are plenty of stupid people out there, so the supply of fresh meat wouldn't run out completely for a very long time, if ever.)

Based on that debacle, I have little doubt that if the government ever maneuvers itself into a real war on guns, they wouldn't give up no matter how futile it is.
mamabearCali wrote:One thing about it though, when everything is illegal, nothing is.
This is an excellent point, often ignored by the opposition. If they were to ban all semiautos, which is an oft-expressed dream of theirs, then the difference between a semiauto and a full auto, in terms of consequence, is nothing. May as well have a fully-capable gun instead of a neutered one, at that point. Throw on a silencer as well, since you're already letting the genie out of the bottle.

It's not like the old days, where you needed large, complicated machines to make modern firearms (as opposed to doing it the Afghan way). There are many, many hobbyists out there with the tools to make modern firearms relatively easily in their garages. The intertubes gives them all the technical info they need.

Hard gun control is not really possible, but that has never stopped the opposition from anything before. Failing just means they didn't try hard enough - and to them, trying harder means bigger body counts.

It's a place we really don't want to end up.
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All this talk reminded me of the FIRST "revolution". The "colonists" never played fair, were hidden by the locals because of ties to the community, and had resources supplied by the "Monarcy".

How do you defeat guerillas in their home country, with nothing left to lose? Ask the Vietnamese about that...
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Reverenddel wrote:All this talk reminded me of the FIRST "revolution". The "colonists" never played fair, were hidden by the locals because of ties to the community, and had resources supplied by the "Monarcy".

How do you defeat guerillas in their home country, with nothing left to lose? Ask the Vietnamese about that...
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Well, you really have to wonder if some of these folks that are running the country these days really paid much attention during their U.S. History class in school.
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to the academic illuminati, the framers, the constitution and the country's history are no more than old weathered bones, an old faded parchment and old stories to be scoffed at, respectively.

i can't remember where i heard or read it, but someone jested, sadly, that last year's virginia earthquake was madison rolling over in his grave.
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Be good citizens and hand them over. Ammo first. :coffee:
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