Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

Skeptic wrote:

SHMIV wrote:

Kreutz wrote:
As for me, as a dorky envirodweeb, i have rechargeable electric yard implements (no gas fumes in my face while I work!) and abstain from chemical fertilizers, so I'm safe.

I prefer the gas powered stuff. I'm currently looking for gas powered kitchen appliances, and maybe even a gas-powered toothbrush...

I'm oldskool. Only coal powered appliances for me.

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Wanna buy some coal?
Better hurry; Virginia hasn't written a new surface mining permit in nearly 2 years. In 6 months or so, they'll have to quit digging it up for lack of permits. Then there'll be no steam to run your toothbrush, a good part of everybody in the state that works for railroads will get laid off; not to mention ports and numerous support industries. And, oh by the way, something like 60% of our electricity generating capacity will have trouble getting fuel; or at least be forced to spend BIG BUCKS importing it from the western US or even overseas. If you think $4 a gallon gas was bad, wait 'till you see what shutting down or at least seriously impairing 60% of our generating capacity does. A local coal company has bumper stickers that say, "IF YOU THINK COAL IS DIRTY, WAIT TIL YOU SEE POVERTY". I guess, you saw on the news that Obama, who has spent the last 3 years doing his dead-level best to tax and regulate businesses in this country to death, then reared up on his hind legs and announced "American are lazy because they havent induced any businesses to come to this country." Duh.... We've driven the businesses we HAD in this country overseas with the world's highest corporate taxes, most onerous regulations, and highest labor costs, and every word our president has spoken has inspired financial and business panic, but we're somehow supposed to lure foreign businesses to come to this country? Why didn't he just blame the Easter Bunny for not bringing us new industry in his basket? I mention this only because I figure it means we can expect Obama to blame the lack of electricity on the power companies and the coal companies.

Skeptic wrote:

Kreutz wrote:Its also unwise to keep too much gasoline or fertilizer in the shed. Other household chemicals are problematic too.

Of course, what constitutes "too much", who knows?

As I recall Tim Kaine thought something like 350 rounds of ammo was a "stockpile" or "arsenal" or some such thing that needed to be monitored and tracked by the government. so I am guessing too much would be a pretty small number.

350 rounds of ammo is a "stockpile?" That sounds like a day at the range for DH and I! Maybe 350K of rounds, yes now that would be a nice stock pile. The increasing insanity of what is going on is quite disturbing.

Am I the only environmentalist that supports non-mountaintop removal coal mining?

Coal is actually pretty good bang for the buck with the newer plants.

However, its my understanding "the war on coal" in Appalachia is moot because the hauls are getting smaller and smaller from simple depletion over the last 100 some odd years. I could have sworn I read somewhere Virginia imports coal from Wyoming and/or Colorado.

mamabearCali wrote:What? I mean have these people gone insane? I keep a bunch of pot scrubbers around to scrub pots with because I don't want to stop mid-day and run to to store to get more. I'd rather just buy a bunch and then not deal with it. A pot scrubber is a firearm--boy are these people idiots. This has to end.

Do you also have a suppressor? If not, this letter has no relevance to your life.


on second thought, what I wrote above is not really true, it has relevance in that the ATF is ruining life for others.

The ATF is known for being pieces of garbage. I have heard of more than one situation where they officially had 0 reason to go after a person, but they did. I put nothing past them include persecuting a housewife for having sponges.

I once saw a bumper sticker that stated "ATF should be the name of a convenience store, not a government bureaucracy". And, I agree.

Kreutz, you are mistaken about all the coal being gone in Appalachia. It's still 30-40 percent of our employment out here, and the bestpaying jobs for thethe most part.

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Kreutz wrote:Its also unwise to keep too much gasoline or fertilizer in the shed. Other household chemicals are problematic too.

Of course, what constitutes "too much", who knows?

Too much is actually any quantity, if they ever investigate you.

dorminWS wrote:Kreutz, you are mistaken about all the coal being gone in Appalachia. It's still 30-40 percent of our employment out here, and the bestpaying jobs for thethe most part.

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Didnt say it was gone, I said yields were diminishing. A quick Googling confirmed what I read elsewhere:

http://blogs.wvgazette.com/coaltattoo/2 ... hian-coal/

After strong and increased production through the mid-1990s, regional production last peaked in 1997 at 290 million tons. Even as national production continued to grow, by 2008, Central Appalachian production has fallen 20 percent to 235 million tons.

Recent projections indicate that — despite substantial coal reserves — annual production may decline another 46 percent by 2020, and 58 percent by 2035, to 99 million tons.

Kreutz wrote:

dorminWS wrote:Kreutz, you are mistaken about all the coal being gone in Appalachia. It's still 30-40 percent of our employment out here, and the bestpaying jobs for thethe most part.

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Didnt say it was gone, I said yields were diminishing. A quick Googling confirmed what I read elsewhere:

http://blogs.wvgazette.com/coaltattoo/2 ... hian-coal/

After strong and increased production through the mid-1990s, regional production last peaked in 1997 at 290 million tons. Even as national production continued to grow, by 2008, Central Appalachian production has fallen 20 percent to 235 million tons.

Recent projections indicate that — despite substantial coal reserves — annual production may decline another 46 percent by 2020, and 58 percent by 2035, to 99 million tons.

How much of that is reserves being depleted vs. regulations making some reserves inaccessible or just not worth it? I don't know, but probably very difficult to get a straight answer.

Kreutz wrote:
"How much of that is reserves being depleted vs. regulations making some reserves inaccessible or just not worth it? I don't know, but probably very difficult to get a straight answer."
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A lot of it is depletion, a lot of it is regulation. But as energy prices increase and extraction technology improves, coal that USED TO BE unrecoverable because the cost of extracting it was more than its worth becomes recoverable reserves. So it is difficult to determine an answer because it keeps changing. But there are many years worth of reserves even at current energy costs and technology levels. Appalachian coal is also generally much higher-quality coal than the western stuff. Lower ash, moisture and sulfur and higher BTU content; so it is in effect cleaner coal.

As for so-called "moutaintop removal", I can show you hospitals, schools, shopping centers, housing and even farms that wouldn't be here but for that method of extraction. It has it's virtues; believe it or not. Most of our terrain, in it's natural state, is so dang steep a billygoat couldn't live on it. We don't see it as the end of the world if someone rearranges some of it to make a little flat spot here and there.

They're suspicious of metallic potscrubbers because they can be used as sound-deadening material in silencers. Of course, it would only take a couple to make an effective silencer, four at most. So anything more than one in the house (like if you buy those packages of two at the grocery store) probably puts on the list of "persons of interest". Funny how these things work - most people didn't know that kerosene or #2 heating oil will turn ammonium nitrate into an explosive before they started making a fuss about it and attempting to regulate the raw materials. I suppose the tubing one might use to make a silencer could be considered a suspicious item, too. What about all that leftover 3/4" copper pipe you've got in your garage from the last plumbing project? They're going to be interested in that stuff. Hey, what if you've still got a replacement VW exhaust pipe from the old "bug" version car you used to own?

Perhaps I should set up an NFA trust for myself so that I can have potscrubbers lying around in my kitchen.

I'm worried that the next thing is that growing rye will become illegal because the fungus that grows on rye grain produces a natural form of LSD. DEA will have to start investigating what's growing in people's lawns, and I'm not good about keeping the grass short (never have time to fix the mower).

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I prefer the gas powered stuff. I'm currently looking for gas powered kitchen appliances, and maybe even a gas-powered toothbrush...[/quote]

I have seen quite a few gas powered washing machines, I have a gasoline iron, as well as a kerosene iron, & my backup stove is a vintage kerosene stove. my heat is non electric, I use both propane & kerosene, & occasionally I may stockpile 50+ gallons of kerosene, however, even during the summer, I am lucky to buy but 1 or 2 bags of fertilizer per year, however I didnt this year nor did I even plant a small garden this year, my heelspur wouldnt let me do the walking.

for an interesting concept, there are vintage motors that hook to a water facet, for a small drill press, or grinder, yes water motors, somewhere on my other computer I took a pic at a show a few years back where some guy had about a dozen of them showing them off.