More injustice from cops

[MarcSpaz]

Newgunguy is a liberal troll and you fine folks are letting him play you like a fiddle.

[GLKLVR9]

What the hell?? I watched the video, but didn't go through all the posts, but why did this officer feel the need to use deadly force? I respect the police, as they see they put their life on the line every day..Very sad,..Unfortunately none of us will know exactly what happened..

[BertMacklin]

Newgunguy is a liberal troll and you fine folks are letting him play you like a fiddle.

It is simply reactionary behavior, anger exemplified by a lack of complementary response. I know your not one to bow to authority, and I'm sure if the discussion hadn't been so heated you would have seen his position a little less negatively.

[WRW]

Newgunguy is a liberal troll and you fine folks are letting him play you like a fiddle.

It is simply reactionary behavior, anger exemplified by a lack of complementary response. I know your not one to bow to authority, and I'm sure if the discussion hadn't been so heated you would have seen his position a little less negatively.

The NAZI comments begun early on in the thread WERE, in my opinion, meant to be inflammatory and to elicit negative comments. That is within the description of trollish behavior.

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[BertMacklin]

I saw them as a reaction to bad blood, a way of steering the conversation, not that I agree with the sentiment.

[WRW]

I saw them as a reaction to bad blood, a way of steering the conversation, not that I agree with the sentiment.

No. The very first post of this thread, the very start of this thread, was a troll for negative reaction.

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[BertMacklin]

I saw them as a reaction to bad blood, a way of steering the conversation, not that I agree with the sentiment.

No. The very first post of this thread, the very start of this thread, was a troll for negative reaction.

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Perhaps you're right, made the mistake of looking at later posts, my bad.

[dusterdude]

Right or wrong,law enforcement should not be acting in a bad way,they are supposed to be trained better than that.one incident is too many


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[BertMacklin]

I agree, and I sure many others do too, thus I'm not attacking anyone. But both sides of this argument could have used more civil means of discussion, such that the issues are actually dissected. I don't think the elevation of cops, even if they deserve it, is helpful. They should be held to a higher degree of scrutiny, rather than the relaxed one that I see, because it's what they signed on for. Making a mistake, and then not being fully held accountable is not sacrifice in my eyes. Though there have been several counterpoints to this argument laid out previously on this thread.

[OleMan]

For emphasis I'll restate what I said in an earlier post:

If we want to rectify individual cases or improve the overall situation with an agency, any pressure should be applied to the public officials that hire, provide for training, equipping, training, and managing law enforcement officers. We also need to be supportive of the good cops

[WRW]

For emphasis I'll restate what I said in an earlier post:

If we want to rectify individual cases or improve the overall situation with an agency, any pressure should be applied to the public officials that hire, provide for training, equipping, training, and managing law enforcement officers. We also need to be supportive of the good cops

Add to that, we can't do much about cases in States other than Va.

FWIW, this thread started two years ago regarding the Culpepper case. It has been resolved, the cop went to jail.

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[MarcSpaz]

Yea, but he only got 3 years (should have been 25 if he was a civilian) and even though the Code of Virginia says that people convicted of violent felonies are not illegible for parole, the judge ruled that courts could be petitioned for a reduced sentence at a later time.

The slimy defense attorney was on TV and said that he thinks the conviction sends a bad message to police officers, making them afraid to draw their weapon for anything other than self defense. Really? WTF? There is no other reason to draw your weapon. Self defense and the defense of others... period.

In my opinion, this specific case was just terrible and a total miscarriage of justice, even with the conviction. BUT, it is still an individual problem. Not a reflection of LE as a whole. There are over 780,000 LEO's in the US. Given how many are out on the streets everyday, I think as a whole, they are doing okay. They may have too much authority and becoming militarized, but IMHO, that is an expansion of government issue, not a personal issue.

Its important to remember that there are bad people in every job, all demographics and all walks of life all over the world. We shouldn't toss out the baby with the bath water.

[Swampman]

I think this thread has a purpose.

We need to hold those entrusted to enforce our laws accountable for the methods they use. When they step outside what is reasonable and what is legal. When they act like they are above the law or worse that their word is law, they need to be reminded of who they really work for.

In the past few years there has either been A. an increase in the use of lethal and brutal force by LEO's on citizens or B. documentation showing just how much has been occurring. Both are bad. This is worthy of attention and discussion.

However the name calling has been less than useful.

I think MBC's point was overlooked, and I think it bears repeating, with additions. I can't speak to any increase in the use of lethal force by LEO's, but I can speak to the perception of an increase in lethal force by LEO's. We all can, because we all see the video's on the net. Perception is often what drives accusations and inflammatory discussions.

This discussion (sometimes civilized, sometimes not so much) should have made that point eminently clear. Newgunguy seems to be younger than some here and may have had a bad experience with a LEO. It may have been his only experience with a LEO, and could account for his animosity.

Video's on the net predominately portray LEO's in a bad light. Very seldom do you see a video of a LEO behaving in a manner that indicates he/she remembers their position and responsibility to the public. It is much like the public perception of other segments of society. All we see on the news and the net are the bad actors and episodes. Those situations and the people involved are in the minority, but again, perception changes our opinions. Think of the interactions you have with other segments of society on a daily basis. If all of them were as bad as what we see on the news or the net, we'd all be angry all the time. It wouldn't be good.

The other problem with these videos and news reports of purported LEO brutality is that they are incomplete. We never see the "rest of the story", as Paul Harvey used to say. We often don't know what precipitated the event so we make judgements on what we see, understandably.

LEO's have a tough job and they have to deal with people who are vicious, murderous, and at the very least, uncooperative. It has been said here that if you act like an azzhat, you'll be treated like one. If you refuse to comply with a LEO request you had better know your rights, but you'll still need to comply in most cases to avoid a forceful confrontation. Generally, if you are polite and don't say or do something stupid, you'll be on your way in a short period of time.

stepping down now.

[SHMIV]

I can say that I have had positive interaction with LEO, I've had interactions that left me driving off without arrests or tickets, but I still wanted to smack the smartazz behind the badge, and I have had positively negative experiences.

I'm not going to judge the entire LEO culture by any single officer.

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[Newgunguy]

Newgunguy, you seem to search the nation to find all that is bad with the LEO community. My last post I chose just a few of the good things they did. I barely scratched the surface. You know what I haven't seen a lot of from you? All of the criminal activity by the police officers, troopers, sheriffs and deputies here in Virginia. I have seen 3 out of 6 officers fired from a town's department and end up paying fines for looking the other way concerning criminal activity. I have seen Sheriffs go to jail for looking the other way about a cock fighting ring. I have seen police officers fired for violating policy after pepper spraying someone who rolled their arm up in the car window. His violation, he reached instead of insisting she pass out her license. I have see others fined and fired killing someone's pet. In virtually all those cases those individuals were unemployable as LEOs after their incidents. I have never seen an LEO who deserved to be called a Nazi or be compared to the SS, that might be the case where you are from, but you continue to live there, so it must not be that bad.

I have seen plenty of posters on here mention respect. It goes two ways, giving and receiving. I would rather start off giving everybody the benefit of the doubt, right from the start. Initially I will start with a healthy dose of courtesy and reasonable level of respect. In return I expect something similar. Sir or Ma'am goes a long way, even with a 19 year old Sheetz or Wawa employee. LEOs don't deserve more respect than the man on the city's recycling or trash truck or that guy out there at 2 AM paving interstate 81. They don't deserve your contempt or hatred either.

Newgunguy, you can feel free to hate anyone you choose, and I will continue to visit once and a while, having my thoughts about what an unhappy soul you must be, so filled with hate for somebody just because of the job they chose. I had the privilege of serving in the National Guard with a bunch of them and most of them were good people, a few were jerks, but if you went for the percentages I am sure there was little to no difference in the problem LEO/ Soldiers and the regular part time Soldiers.

Right grumpy I am, because last time I checked being nice to someone doesn't take a life and then have a corrupt system try to hide it now does it! So yes I do harp on the bad, especially when people say that it's only a small number that do this stuff, there does always seem to be plenty of others that are around that do nothing but join in. Those are facts that I bring up here and nobody can seem to acknowledge then except to just come back and call me a yankee, masshole and a liberal troll! I'm so far from being a liberal that I honestly can't even try to defend against a comment like that, since I just don't have the mental instability to dumb myself down!

So you can keep saying what you wish but I'm sure more people on here see and think the same way as I do, they are just not voicing their feelings and lurking in the shadows like those so called good NAZI'S!

http://www.offthegridnews.com/2014/04/2 ... drug-raid/

http://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.com/ ... -drug.html

This is just another instance of how dumb these NAZI'S are today where they can't distinguish the difference between the letter "E" and "G"!!

Charles.

[Newgunguy]

Newgunguy is a liberal troll and you fine folks are letting him play you like a fiddle.

It is simply reactionary behavior, anger exemplified by a lack of complementary response. I know your not one to bow to authority, and I'm sure if the discussion hadn't been so heated you would have seen his position a little less negatively.

The NAZI comments begun early on in the thread WERE, in my opinion, meant to be inflammatory and to elicit negative comments. That is within the description of trollish behavior.

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Well I guess it is all in how you look at a definition of the term NAZI I guess. How Hitler's party came to power and was labeled, I think you need to take a look at todays system and then you might see how myself and others use the term NAZI to describe every last one of them! So keep thinking that I'm just on here to troll, which is okay to me, but I say the actions over the last few decades speak louder than what my trolling comments can ever do!

Charles.

[Fiddler1537]

Almost all my Leo interactions have been good over the past 45 yrs (no interactions the first 15 yrs). This includes several interactions on my youth that could have handled a bit more aggressively on their part. I know several LEO's that are stand-up guys.
That being said, I would expect them to police themselves. It seems a lot of these reported "incidences"are witnessed by multiple officers. It would seem the lack of that is similar to a major complaint I have against moderate Moslems failing to denounce radical Moslems.....
On another note, anybody who continually denounced all LEO's as NAZIS seems like an IDIOT.

[Newgunguy]

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/dayt ... -ministry/

Charles.

[kelu]

The people are rightfully very upset, which led to a city council meeting being taken over on May 5th protesters. This display of civil disobedience even led to an attempt to serve Police Chief Gorden Eden with an citizen’s arrest warrant.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-1 ... lice-chief
As I said, it has to be bad enough to wake up sleepy minds. After that is easy.

[Newgunguy]

http://www.thepcmdgazette.com/news/poli ... -day-care/

http://jonathanturley.org/2014/05/14/ta ... -day-care/

According to data collected by Amnesty International, at least 500 people in the United States have died since 2001 after being shocked with Tasers either during their arrest or while in jail. Amnesty International recorded the largest number of deaths following the use of Tasers in California (92), followed by Florida (65), and Texas (37). The Oklahoma City Police Department led all law enforcement agencies in deaths (7) following by Las Vegas Metropolitan Police, Harris County Sheriff’s (Tx), Phoenix, Az and San Jose, Ca., all with six deaths.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/node/55449

Charles.