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Kreutz wrote:Verbal (textual?) diarrhea an argument is not. You take fifteen words to say what most people can say in three. Simply boring me is not a challenge, its a win by default because I DONT HAVE THE TIME TO READ PAGES OF TEXT, at best I skim them, usually I scroll past them.

You limited attention span and reading comprehension is not my problem. Expressing a complete idea takes time, particularly when you have address the other sides points for them because of their inability to do so.

Kreutz wrote:yes yes, break a tank with a stick (or whatever, I'm not clicking the link because I don't care).

Hey, it was your argument not mine. I simply provided a counter example for your absurd claims about Abrams tanks and nukes. If you don't want to discuss it I suggest you don't post it.

Kreutz wrote:AGAIN, for the at least FIFTH time, what makes you think these future guerrilla fighters are going to DO it, without keeling over from an occluded coronary artery whilst running up to it?

Already covered, but you don't bother to read. I made no such claims.

Kreutz wrote:Yeah, that's the new normal btw. And you're prattling on about "tactical advantages in an urban environment"...are you delusional?

I didn't make that up...that's conventional wisdom from the people who do that for a living. I could go on and provide you details/sources, but apparently anything over 160 characters you can't comprehend.

Kreutz wrote:The fat lazy weak-willed countrymen you keep ascribing these magical nonexistant powers of resistance to is mind-boggling in its persistence. Given your intellect I can only ascribe this falalcy to some kind of fervent hope.

Interesting you harp on lazy people when you can't be bothered to read.

Those certainly aren't most people I know. Interestingly enough, most of the people I know are very resourceful and self-reliant. I can see how that would be your default view of America given that you tend to hang out with people who can't conceive of anything that isn't given to them by the government or run by it.

Kreutz wrote:YES I know few participated in the Revolutionary War; again, DIFFERENT time, DIFFERENT people, DIFFERENT war. Todays fractured Balkanized sacs of redundant protoplasm cannot (literally due to language barriers) and will not unite, for anything other than self-interest.

Big difference in wind powered ships leaving England and taking weeks to get here with 18th century technology versus plentiful CONUS bases and modern technology.

Again, already addressed, but you don't bother to read. If you can't respond to a counter argument, just repeating yours doesn't mean anything.

Kreutz wrote:Drop your fantasies of overthrowing the government, and do what I did. Read Ride the Tiger by Julius Evola; it tells you everything you need to survive what may or may not come.

I don't have any fantasies about overthrowing the government, nor do I propose it. If you bothered to read you would already know that, but that seems to be a common deficiency...

Kreutz wrote:Most people dont look up how to sabotage tanks just in case a stray one gets in the garden. Thats deliberate planning for one and only one thing; war.

(5 of 5)

You have no idea what I do and have done for a living. I consistently look up open sources to make sure that everything is already ok to discuss and I don't step over a line. This really is common knowledge stuff for anyone with a couple of engineering degrees.

It's like Arthur C. Clarke said, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. If you haven't spent years studying the underlying mechanism it does look like magic. Again, your ignorance is not my problem and certainly doesn't give you the right to post ad hominem attacks.

gunderwood wrote:

Kreutz wrote:Most people dont look up how to sabotage tanks just in case a stray one gets in the garden. Thats deliberate planning for one and only one thing; war.

(5 of 5)

You have no idea what I do and have done for a living. I consistently look up open sources to make sure that everything is already ok to discuss and I don't step over a line. This really is common knowledge stuff for anyone with a couple of engineering degrees.

It's like Arthur C. Clarke said, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. If you haven't spent years studying the underlying mechanism it does look like magic. Again, your ignorance is not my problem and certainly doesn't give you the right to post ad hominem attacks.

I get chills just thinking about it...

I can haz majicks?!

Palladin wrote:

gunderwood wrote:

Kreutz wrote:Most people dont look up how to sabotage tanks just in case a stray one gets in the garden. Thats deliberate planning for one and only one thing; war.

(5 of 5)

You have no idea what I do and have done for a living. I consistently look up open sources to make sure that everything is already ok to discuss and I don't step over a line. This really is common knowledge stuff for anyone with a couple of engineering degrees.

It's like Arthur C. Clarke said, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. If you haven't spent years studying the underlying mechanism it does look like magic. Again, your ignorance is not my problem and certainly doesn't give you the right to post ad hominem attacks.

I get chills just thinking about it...

I can haz majicks?!

I would just like to point out that we, as a nation, have been getting a royal arse kicking in places like Afghanistan and Iraq. Our military is used to combat against a uniformed adversary not against plain clothed civilians. This adds a whole new dimension to warfare when you aren't sure who the enemy is! This is why, IMHO, another revolution in this country is not only likely, but very probable.

Yarddawg wrote:I would just like to point out that we, as a nation, have been getting a royal arse kicking in places like Afghanistan and Iraq. Our military is used to combat against a uniformed adversary not against plain clothed civilians. This adds a whole new dimension to warfare when you aren't sure who the enemy is! This is why, IMHO, another revolution in this country is not only likely, but very probable.

We're getting our asses waxed mainly because of the ROE imposed by elected twits more interested in protecting the "citizenry" of a hostile nation than our own military...some of the troops in Afghan are forbidden to carry weapons since that "frightens" the locals...

I won't dispute that Dk, however, remember how we won our independence. It was very easy for us to pick off the "red coats", the British had more difficulty in determining who the combatants were.

Applying the same principle to what I consider to be the ultimate SHTF scenario, and I believe that an overthrow of our gov't is not only possible but probable.

Disclaimer: I am in NO WAY advocating overthrowing our gov't. I am hoping that the citizens of this country will throw the bums out in 2012!

@Yard, yep and you make a valid point too...these two coupled together are a recipe for disaster...

Kreutz wrote:
Clear your schedule to make the time to read G-woods posts. Most people dont look up how to sabotage tanks just in case a stray one gets in the garden. Thats deliberate planning for one and only one thing; war.

Since the government is famous for loosing its property quite often I would call it more of being prepared. All the time you hear of the government loosing thumb drives, hand guns rifles, and yes even tanks on occasion. Someone actually stole a tank from a base in San Diego and proceeded to cause carnage and destruction to the city. Thankfully it was only property damage and the only person killed was the thief who stole the tank. And it actually did run over a couple flower beds, among many other things. There was absolutely nothing the police could do to stop this tank. The only reason it was stopped was that the driver got stuck on a dividing wall on the freeway. If it wasn't for that wall, the tank would have kept going for a lot longer. Too bad no one knew how to blow off the treads to stop the tank and end this a lot sooner and saved a lot of property damage.



With the amount of equipment that disappears every year and ends up in the Mexican Cartel's hands how long before you think tanks could be showing up on the southern border? This time with drivers and gunners that know what they are doing with it? I seriously doubt the Border Patrol will have the firepower to stop that kind of threat. All they would be able to do is try to stay alive long enough for the tank to run out of gas and shells or get stuck some where, much like what the San Diego police had to do.

gunderwood wrote:

Kreutz wrote:Verbal (textual?) diarrhea an argument is not. You take fifteen words to say what most people can say in three. Simply boring me is not a challenge, its a win by default because I DONT HAVE THE TIME TO READ PAGES OF TEXT, at best I skim them, usually I scroll past them.

You limited attention span and reading comprehension is not my problem. Expressing a complete idea takes time, particularly when you have address the other sides points for them because of their inability to do so.

Kreutz wrote:yes yes, break a tank with a stick (or whatever, I'm not clicking the link because I don't care).

Hey, it was your argument not mine. I simply provided a counter example for your absurd claims about Abrams tanks and nukes. If you don't want to discuss it I suggest you don't post it.

Kreutz wrote:AGAIN, for the at least FIFTH time, what makes you think these future guerrilla fighters are going to DO it, without keeling over from an occluded coronary artery whilst running up to it?

Already covered, but you don't bother to read. I made no such claims.

Kreutz wrote:Yeah, that's the new normal btw. And you're prattling on about "tactical advantages in an urban environment"...are you delusional?

I didn't make that up...that's conventional wisdom from the people who do that for a living. I could go on and provide you details/sources, but apparently anything over 160 characters you can't comprehend.

Kreutz wrote:The fat lazy weak-willed countrymen you keep ascribing these magical nonexistant powers of resistance to is mind-boggling in its persistence. Given your intellect I can only ascribe this falalcy to some kind of fervent hope.

Interesting you harp on lazy people when you can't be bothered to read.

Those certainly aren't most people I know. Interestingly enough, most of the people I know are very resourceful and self-reliant. I can see how that would be your default view of America given that you tend to hang out with people who can't conceive of anything that isn't given to them by the government or run by it.

Kreutz wrote:YES I know few participated in the Revolutionary War; again, DIFFERENT time, DIFFERENT people, DIFFERENT war. Todays fractured Balkanized sacs of redundant protoplasm cannot (literally due to language barriers) and will not unite, for anything other than self-interest.

Big difference in wind powered ships leaving England and taking weeks to get here with 18th century technology versus plentiful CONUS bases and modern technology.

Again, already addressed, but you don't bother to read. If you can't respond to a counter argument, just repeating yours doesn't mean anything.

Kreutz wrote:Drop your fantasies of overthrowing the government, and do what I did. Read Ride the Tiger by Julius Evola; it tells you everything you need to survive what may or may not come.

I don't have any fantasies about overthrowing the government, nor do I propose it. If you bothered to read you would already know that, but that seems to be a common deficiency...

brev·i·ty

–noun
1.
shortness of time or duration; briefness: the brevity of human life.
2.
the quality of expressing much in few words; terseness: Brevity is the soul of wit.

My attention span is fine, your inability to resist verbal diarrhea in order to seem more intelligent than you are is the problem.

Just because you choose to say it in fifteen words when three would have sufficed does not make it either intellectually nor rhetorically impressive.

Kreutz wrote: That level of childhood obesity is currently more limited to major cities, but it is spreading sadly....but then again, more people live in cities nowadays too.

A sad combination of poverty, the destruction of food infrastructure, single parent households, and 2-3 generations of people who do not know how to cook (some don't even own a pan). I can't change the world of the inner city, but I can make sure my kids get somewhat decent nutrition, learn to cook, and thus prepare the next generation for somewhat decent health.

Clear your schedule to make the time to read G-woods posts. Most people dont look up how to sabotage tanks just in case a stray one gets in the garden. Thats deliberate planning for one and only one thing; war.

To be fair I'm not picking on just him, there is a strong belief in a sizeable number of right-wing people that they will one day be going toe to toe with Uncle Sam, which is laughable given the physical and mental state of the American citizenry.

Well if I skip a few it is because you two write books not "posts." I highly doubt we will ever go toe to toe with Uncle Sam. If we have a "without rule of law situation" and we are fighting something other than the local street gang it will be a fractured strange regional three headed monster gov't we are fighting. It is hard to tell what form it would take--perhaps that is a good thing as it means our great republic has perhaps a few more generations in it. Or if we are very unlucky we could be fighting China---boy would that be bad!

Holy hell, we see eye to eye on something. I also dont feel particularly "oppressed" by my government, more annoyed than anything else.

I also think "SHTF" scenarios are more paranoia (and perhaps wishful thinking?) than anything else; it will take generations for this ship to finally sink.

It took Rome centuries after all. America will go out with a gasp, not a battle cry.

Shock! We agree. I would not wish for the end of what we have--especially as we will likely get nothing better.

Do I feel oppressed? There are a few way I have felt the squeeze of gov't on our family in a most unsettling manner. I have to buy a portion of a cow to get the milk I want, but it works out better that way so as long as they don't beat up/intimidate my farmer I can live with it (the FDA or the USDA or someone has been oppressing small dairy farmers in other states so I am crossing my fingers that they leave my friend alone. I can't fly anymore as the TSA will assault my family under color of law. Don't even get me started on the myriad of vaccines that they want to stick into little kids. So yep there are some warning signs out there that alarm me, but for the time being there is no other place better so we do what we can to try and work around the difficulties, and win the argument while we still can.

Methinks myself, my children, their children, and even their children will be long dead of old age before that happens.

I hope you are right I really do, but strange things happen from time to time. The Roman Empire went out with a whimper, but that does not mean that we will.

zephyp wrote:
In the future, please pay attention to your posts when you quote someone. I did not say that. Wylde did...

It was made clear in an earlier post. Remember, using a forum like this means you must have thick skin. Otherwise you end up sounding shrill like you-know-who.

shepherd wrote:

zephyp wrote:
In the future, please pay attention to your posts when you quote someone. I did not say that. Wylde did...

It was made clear in an earlier post. Remember, using a forum like this means you must have thick skin. Otherwise you end up sounding shrill like you-know-who.

I dont care what was made clear earlier. The issue is that you attributed a quote to me that I did not say sport. I dont care for that and I especially dont care for someone to attribute Wylde's drivel to me and then tell me I should have thick skin. Having thick skin in this context means taking the heat for a position you have or something you said. Not because an idiot doesnt know how to post. Do it again and suffer the consequences...

Kreutz wrote:brev·i·ty

–noun
1.
shortness of time or duration; briefness: the brevity of human life.
2.
the quality of expressing much in few words; terseness: Brevity is the soul of wit.

My attention span is fine, your inability to resist verbal diarrhea in order to seem more intelligent than you are is the problem.

Just because you choose to say it in fifteen words when three would have sufficed does not make it either intellectually nor rhetorically impressive.

Ah, I see you're once again ignoring the discussion and posting personal attacks. Besides, brevity makes for good wit, but poor reasoning.

Jim,

I would be happy to let you know about the VCM. I am a member. PM me and we can discuss