Usama Bin Laden dead

[pedal_pusher]

Seal Team 6, CIA and Delta Force...

Looks like 6 will take the credit for the kill, but word is they provided perimeter security and D took the shot.

I have read a couple of forums today that Delta and Seal Team Six both were on the mission, that they train together and share a lot of missions, most of which we don't hear about. Training together and sharing missions seems to be open knowledge. Makes sense that they would use a team combining both.

Earlier news reports said that the copters were "Blackhawks" and one Chinook - sounds like the 160th SOAR might have flown them in, because their mission is to fly Special Operations & they have special versions of the Blackhawk and Chinook.

Just my opinion, but it is hard to imagine such a critical mission not having air cover - stealth birds like the B2, F22, F119? Also seems to me that there would have been back up plans with special operators to go in if it hit the fan.

Big plus for JSOC and the intelligence Services at a time when Obama and Congress are set to cut JSOC's funding and not pay for requested additional Operators for DEVGRU (6) and Delta.

Oleman -

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There is a serious problem with your post. JSOC and Spec Ops funding are part of the Black Budget, therefore classified. How do you know what's going on with the Black Budget, and why are you repeating what you know in an open forum?

Btw there was no air cover in Pakistani air space, hence the time line established for a quick entry and fast exist.

Gat6

Gat6

nothing in the statement is classified, so not to worry. gat6 just wants to argue - he's trolling for something.

[gatlingun6]

@Gat6 -- odumbo did nothing more than give the operators "permission" to do their job. He deserves 0 credit other than that. The real credit goes to the men and women who did and have put their lives on the line day after day to get this evil man.

But, you're one of them there liberal elitists who hates our military.

AND, regarding your post on an open forum supposedly "confirming" the post of sensitive information...you are a lamer....SCAT!!!!!! (pun intended)

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I take classified information seriously: Are you saying that the budgets of JSOC and Spec Ops are open source? ( My point was what he wrote was just made up, because no inside professional would reveal classified information in this or any other forum).

What is open source is that under this President the size of and numbers of Special Operations Forces have increased, the number of drones employed have increased dramatically, and the number of drone strikes in Pakistan has also seen a quantum leap.

Let me paraphrase your post: Bin Laden merely gave those 19 hi-jackers "permission" (your word) to fly those planes into the World Trade Center, and the Pentagon. Therefore the real credit goes to those 19 terrorists who hi-jacked and flew the planes. Consequently Bin Laden gets no credit for causing 9/11? Huh? By that logic, what was the beef with Bin Laden?

By the same logic President Bush deserves no credit for anything that happened in Iraq, Afghanistan, or anywhere else. Seems as tho he just gave "permission" for the Armed Forces to invade foreign countries.

Better yet we owe President Carter an apology. We were all over him for the debacle at Desert One since he merely gave the operators "permission" to rescue the hostages in Iran. The same goes for that other "permission" giver in chief Clinton for the Mogadishu operation.

In my world the President, every President, is the Commander in Chief (CIC) of the Armed Forces. The CIC unlike say a school teacher issues ORDERS not "permission" slips. I know of no President called "Permission Giver in Chief" (PGC).

Now if it's your opinion that every President in history gets 0 credit for any military operation, successful or unsuccessful, we can agree to disagree but at least you're consistent.

Pray tell who or what is a liberal "elitist" who hates the military? Why on earth would I hate the military? Can anyone cite any post where I wrote something hateful about "The Military?" I must say that sentence made me laugh each time I read it. It's pretty near the most hilarious line I have ever read in these forums.

Btw is there such a person as a conservative "elitist" who hates the military?

Gat6

[pedal_pusher]

gat6 anyone privy to classified info isn't posting it in forums like this, what's being said is common-sense speculation and opinion that you're taking out of context. if you're THAT concerned why spotlight it?

instead of attacking people for their opinion, you should just add yours. its obvious you're trying to pick a fight, but fyi... everyone is ignoring you.

i think it's comical that it took you 2 hours to write the above post and it doesn't convey a shred of useful info, including whatever your opinion of the main topic is.

perhaps you could enlighten us.

[OleMan]

Gat6
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You wrote: "I take classified information seriously: Are you saying that the budgets of JSOC and Spec Ops are open source? ( My point was what he wrote was just made up, because no inside professional would reveal classified information in this or any other forum)."

What I said was neither classified nor made up. It all came from authoritative open sources except where I paraphrased comments from open forums, and I identified that. I stated that what I was saying was my opinion

There are credible reports that DEVGRU and Delta train together and have executed together. Special Operations missions do utilize the SOC qualified groups together as needed. When I say credible, that includes books published over a few decades and news reports.

News report now say that the 160th SOAR from Ft. Campbell did indeed fly the mission.

News reports and serious historical writing indicate that SOC mission always have combat air support near enough to help if needed - and that is in line with published reports. Actually makes sense that this country would protect it's most highly trained and secret units with air power as close as possible, and as invisible as possible.


Oleman

[allingeneral]

Let me paraphrase your post: Bin Laden merely gave those 19 hi-jackers "permission" (your word) to fly those planes into the World Trade Center, and the Pentagon. Therefore the real credit goes to those 19 terrorists who hi-jacked and flew the planes. Consequently Bin Laden gets no credit for causing 9/11? Huh? By that logic, what was the beef with Bin Laden?

I think comparing Bin Laden and his minuscule network of operatives to the Armed Forces of the United States is foolish. Clearly there's a difference between Bin Laden planning and executing an attack and the POTUS authorizing an attack that was planned by the highest levels of the military and government. So, you bring up a good point arguing the exact statement that's already been argued. Obama was provided with multiple options by our military leaders and he chose one. He didn't plan anything, and he didn't execute anything. He merely chose an option and then went golfing.

[TheGodfather]

Apples to oranges. Mass murdering terrorists are not supposed to be popular national figures. If Bin Laden is a "popular Pakistani figure", then that shows the heart of the people - they are evil and wish us dead.

You say terrorist, they say freedom fighter. We have plenty of "terrorists" and "mass murderers" who are popular national figures - Francis Marion, Lincoln, Sherman, et cetera - only we don't call them terrorists or mass murderers because they were "right" or "good" and so all the people they slaughtered were "evil" and "got what they deserved". Their sins are absolved, or turned into virtues, because they won, or because they claimed to espouse ideals that one agrees with. Human nature glosses over the misdeeds of those we like and casts those we don't as subhuman.

Again: Perspective.

Umm....no.
Any "perspective" that compares Lincoln to Bin Laden is so skewed it's not worth the argument.

[gatlingun6]

gat6 anyone privy to classified info isn't posting it in forums like this, what's being said is common-sense speculation and opinion that you're taking out of context. if you're THAT concerned why spotlight it?

instead of attacking people for their opinion, you should just add yours. its obvious you're trying to pick a fight, but fyi... everyone is ignoring you.

i think it's comical that it took you 2 hours to write the above post and it doesn't convey a shred of useful info, including whatever your opinion of the main topic is.

perhaps you could enlighten us.

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I wasn't attacking anyone. I was simply dramatizing a statement that had no truth or facts behind it. It's one thing to disagree with the administration on policies and procedures, but quite another to complain about something that's not true.

It actually coveys plenty of facts but a few posters here care nothing about facts when it involves this administration. Even a clock is right twice a day, but for certain posters here that's not the case. So if it's not true, the mantra is let's make it up. Why should anyone be upset about that?

Gat6

[WRW]

Apples to oranges. Mass murdering terrorists are not supposed to be popular national figures. If Bin Laden is a "popular Pakistani figure", then that shows the heart of the people - they are evil and wish us dead.

You say terrorist, they say freedom fighter. We have plenty of "terrorists" and "mass murderers" who are popular national figures - Francis Marion, Lincoln, Sherman, et cetera - only we don't call them terrorists or mass murderers because they were "right" or "good" and so all the people they slaughtered were "evil" and "got what they deserved". Their sins are absolved, or turned into virtues, because they won, or because they claimed to espouse ideals that one agrees with. Human nature glosses over the misdeeds of those we like and casts those we don't as subhuman.

Again: Perspective.

Umm....no.
Any "perspective" that compares Lincoln to Bin Laden is so skewed it's not worth the argument.

The Francis Marion reference threw me. I understand that some current British author has labeled Marion as a terrorist, but critical writers of the time spoke of "uncivilized" and "unsportsmanlike" when describing the early form of guerilla warfare used by "the Swamp Fox".

[Taggure]

Could not help myself when I saw this I had to share it

[zephyp]

@Gat6 -- odumbo did nothing more than give the operators "permission" to do their job. He deserves 0 credit other than that. The real credit goes to the men and women who did and have put their lives on the line day after day to get this evil man.

But, you're one of them there liberal elitists who hates our military.

AND, regarding your post on an open forum supposedly "confirming" the post of sensitive information...you are a lamer....SCAT!!!!!! (pun intended)

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I take classified information seriously: Are you saying that the budgets of JSOC and Spec Ops are open source? ( My point was what he wrote was just made up, because no inside professional would reveal classified information in this or any other forum).

What is open source is that under this President the size of and numbers of Special Operations Forces have increased, the number of drones employed have increased dramatically, and the number of drone strikes in Pakistan has also seen a quantum leap.

Let me paraphrase your post: Bin Laden merely gave those 19 hi-jackers "permission" (your word) to fly those planes into the World Trade Center, and the Pentagon. Therefore the real credit goes to those 19 terrorists who hi-jacked and flew the planes. Consequently Bin Laden gets no credit for causing 9/11? Huh? By that logic, what was the beef with Bin Laden?

By the same logic President Bush deserves no credit for anything that happened in Iraq, Afghanistan, or anywhere else. Seems as tho he just gave "permission" for the Armed Forces to invade foreign countries.

Better yet we owe President Carter an apology. We were all over him for the debacle at Desert One since he merely gave the operators "permission" to rescue the hostages in Iran. The same goes for that other "permission" giver in chief Clinton for the Mogadishu operation.

In my world the President, every President, is the Commander in Chief (CIC) of the Armed Forces. The CIC unlike say a school teacher issues ORDERS not "permission" slips. I know of no President called "Permission Giver in Chief" (PGC).

Now if it's your opinion that every President in history gets 0 credit for any military operation, successful or unsuccessful, we can agree to disagree but at least you're consistent.

Pray tell who or what is a liberal "elitist" who hates the military? Why on earth would I hate the military? Can anyone cite any post where I wrote something hateful about "The Military?" I must say that sentence made me laugh each time I read it. It's pretty near the most hilarious line I have ever read in these forums.

Btw is there such a person as a conservative "elitist" who hates the military?

Gat6

It is common and standard in all organizations to take credit for everything that happens under you...doesnt make it right or accurate...just the way it is...

And regarding your hatred of the military I will use a similar type of logic you used in the post above....you are no doubt a liberal socialist...liberal socialists hate the military...hence, so do you...kinda like 2nd grade math....all cows are brown...gat6 is a cow and therefore brown...

[allingeneral]

turds are brown too. So is he a turd or a cow? It's so hard to tell

[OakRidgeStars]

The situation room courtesy of Marvel Comics

[Unkn0wN]

The situation room courtesy of Marvel Comics

Was funny until I seen nutsack sitting there as Captain America. What a disgrace to Captain America.

[OakRidgeStars]

I guess his Captain Kickass tights are at the cleaners

[VBshooter]

That's not Captain America.. Missing the stars on the upper part of the costume.They look more like some Underoos that got out of hand or proof that Dr Spock is gay,,,,,,,The Underoo theory does fit Jr (Obama) quite well, mentality and image wise..

[TheGodfather]

That's not Captain America.. Missing the stars on the upper part of the costume.They look more like some Underoos that got out of hand or proof that Dr Spock is gay,,,,,,,The Underoo theory does fit Jr (Obama) quite well, mentality and image wise..

Maybe it's Captain Hindsight.

[OleMan]

A couple of examples for the few socialist apologists on this board on why the center-right in this country aren't giving Prince Barack Hussein Obama his due on the "gutsy" decision to take down the world's No. 1 terrorist. Translation: Obama ain't got the creds when it comes to being 'tough' on the real bad guys.

From the Left Coast Media - Obama's hypocrcisy -
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... 09802.html

"Apparently, it is consistent with Obama's and Dowd's values to shoot and kill an unarmed bin Laden -- as long as you don't waterboard him to learn possible intelligence that might prevent a terrorist attack first." ....... "If the president wants to be truly gutsy, he should tell Holder to take his heavy-handed re-investigation and shove it."

From the 'Gubmint' - Send me cell phone text messages telling me there is a "threat" to national security. Translation: Raise the cost of my cell phone so they can send me anything the "gubmint" decides they want to.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/05/10/ ... ch-in-nyc/

Oleman

[VBshooter]

TheGodfather wrote;

Maybe it's Captain Hindsight.

I don;t think Barry can hang with Cap'n Hindsight too well.. Hindsight tends to raise hell , drink and chase women.. Barry rides girls bikes , plays golf, and takes credit for things he didn't do.

[zephyp]

turds are brown too. So is he a turd or a cow? It's so hard to tell

My mistake Rick...I thought about that after I hit submit and was torn between leaving an insult to cows or being late for work...but then I got to thinking...wait...all turds are not brown but they do all stink...the same connections can be made from that as well...he stinks ergo he is a turd...

[gatlingun6]

@Gat6 -- odumbo did nothing more than give the operators "permission" to do their job. He deserves 0 credit other than that. The real credit goes to the men and women who did and have put their lives on the line day after day to get this evil man.

But, you're one of them there liberal elitists who hates our military.

AND, regarding your post on an open forum supposedly "confirming" the post of sensitive information...you are a lamer....SCAT!!!!!! (pun intended)

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I take classified information seriously: Are you saying that the budgets of JSOC and Spec Ops are open source? ( My point was what he wrote was just made up, because no inside professional would reveal classified information in this or any other forum).

What is open source is that under this President the size of and numbers of Special Operations Forces have increased, the number of drones employed have increased dramatically, and the number of drone strikes in Pakistan has also seen a quantum leap.

Let me paraphrase your post: Bin Laden merely gave those 19 hi-jackers "permission" (your word) to fly those planes into the World Trade Center, and the Pentagon. Therefore the real credit goes to those 19 terrorists who hi-jacked and flew the planes. Consequently Bin Laden gets no credit for causing 9/11? Huh? By that logic, what was the beef with Bin Laden?

By the same logic President Bush deserves no credit for anything that happened in Iraq, Afghanistan, or anywhere else. Seems as tho he just gave "permission" for the Armed Forces to invade foreign countries.

Better yet we owe President Carter an apology. We were all over him for the debacle at Desert One since he merely gave the operators "permission" to rescue the hostages in Iran. The same goes for that other "permission" giver in chief Clinton for the Mogadishu operation.

In my world the President, every President, is the Commander in Chief (CIC) of the Armed Forces. The CIC unlike say a school teacher issues ORDERS not "permission" slips. I know of no President called "Permission Giver in Chief" (PGC).

Now if it's your opinion that every President in history gets 0 credit for any military operation, successful or unsuccessful, we can agree to disagree but at least you're consistent.

Pray tell who or what is a liberal "elitist" who hates the military? Why on earth would I hate the military? Can anyone cite any post where I wrote something hateful about "The Military?" I must say that sentence made me laugh each time I read it. It's pretty near the most hilarious line I have ever read in these forums.

Btw is there such a person as a conservative "elitist" who hates the military?

Gat6

It is common and standard in all organizations to take credit for everything that happens under you...doesnt make it right or accurate...just the way it is...

And regarding your hatred of the military I will use a similar type of logic you used in the post above....you are no doubt a liberal socialist...liberal socialists hate the military...hence, so do you...kinda like 2nd grade math....all cows are brown...gat6 is a cow and therefore brown...

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Actually that's circular reasoning and logic that does not follow. So instead of circular cow talk please hi-lite the post where I showed a decided hatred for the military.

And now I'm a liberal socialist? That's just more talk off-point. When you can't attack the point of view then attack the person. That's fine. If that gets you off have at it.

Just know that saying I hate the military is hilarious. Let's not wallow in the gutter, can we get back to a discussion of the original issue? Since I do not know you personally, I do not have a personal problem with you. Like everyone else here I'm merely commenting on posts with which I agree, disagree, or anywhere in between. I can do that and ignore the personal stuff.
Gat6