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Yes, and compromise goes both ways. Each party has to give a little to make it work. Otherwise its draconian. Regarding compromising on political beliefs thats a little harder. Rather than letting someone share the sandbox with you in exchange to play with their tonka truck you have to give up something you truly believe in and are willing to fight for.Username wrote:You know DK, I feel like that's what bothers me most as well. A little bit of give goes a long way in a discussion like this, I'm willing to freely admit I'm no expert and most of us are here in this forum in the spirit of learning / garnering more knowledge anyway!zephyp wrote:
With a liberal? This is way too much fun....and besides there is no comprise here. Jim has made that clear. Its either his way or no way. We are all wrong and only he is right.
Respectfully, few "rebels" felt that way... though our heritage is still unreconstructed and unapologetic.ksanftleben wrote:The Unreconstructed Rebel (I’m a Good Old Rebel)
Robert E. Lee wrote:I have fought against the people of the North because I believed they were seeking to wrest from the South its dearest rights. But I have never cherished toward them bitter or vindictive feelings, and have never seen the day when I did not pray for them.
All that the South has ever desired was the Union as established by our forefathers should be preserved and that the government as originally organized should be administered in purity and truth.
Pay strict attention to that middle quote, if you will. It represents the great wisdom, patience and diplomatic perseverance that the South was willing to undertake in order to prevent all-out war.Governor, if I had foreseen the use those people designed to make of their victory, there would have been no surrender at Appomattox Courthouse; no sir, not by me. Had I foreseen these results of subjugation, I would have preferred to die at Appomattox with my brave men, my sword in my right hand."
Major General Patrick Cleburne wrote:I am with the South in life or in death, in victory or in defeat... I believe the North is about to wage a brutal and unholy war on a people who have done them no wrong, in violation of the Constitution and the fundamental principles of government. They no longer acknowledge that all government derives its validity from the consent of the governed. They are about to invade our peaceful homes, destroy our property, and inaugurate a servile insurrection, murder our men and dishonor our women. We propose no invasion of the North, no attack on them, and only ask to be left alone.
WildBill:WildBill44 wrote:Perhaps our politically argumentative member known as "gatlingun6" is in fact an agent of Obama's Federal government at some level....perhaps reporting to Butch Napolitano, or that upstanding minion of the left, Cass Sunstein. After seeing his positions and postings I think it is a distinct possibility....what do the rest of you think?
I'm positive that his friends are not all ideologues, and some obviously do not know or believe that he is. In fact, knowing what I know now I could not categorically say how he voted. From one I have read here he would not make the favored son list. My guess is he could easily make WildBill's list. 
'Excellent!wylde007 wrote:Respectfully, few "rebels" felt that way... though our heritage is still unreconstructed and unapologetic.ksanftleben wrote:The Unreconstructed Rebel (I’m a Good Old Rebel)Robert E. Lee wrote:I have fought against the people of the North because I believed they were seeking to wrest from the South its dearest rights. But I have never cherished toward them bitter or vindictive feelings, and have never seen the day when I did not pray for them.All that the South has ever desired was the Union as established by our forefathers should be preserved and that the government as originally organized should be administered in purity and truth.Pay strict attention to that middle quote, if you will. It represents the great wisdom, patience and diplomatic perseverance that the South was willing to undertake in order to prevent all-out war.Governor, if I had foreseen the use those people designed to make of their victory, there would have been no surrender at Appomattox Courthouse; no sir, not by me. Had I foreseen these results of subjugation, I would have preferred to die at Appomattox with my brave men, my sword in my right hand."
We wanted to live in peace. The yankee nation (spec. Lincoln) would have none of it. One man. ONE MAN sent those troops to invade. His paranoia, immoral and secular, industrial drive; they brought the war upon the South and engulfed this land in a never-ending devolution into tyranny that would make King George, III cringe.
And that's all we want today. I believe that it is all any true CITIZEN wants. To be left well-enough alone. To be permitted to keep the fruits of his own labor to do as he sees fit. To amass his small fortune on this earth so that his sons and daughters may benefit it in their lives when he departs to go to his final reward... rather than being stripped of half its value by the rapacious and self-interested government.Major General Patrick Cleburne wrote:I am with the South in life or in death, in victory or in defeat... I believe the North is about to wage a brutal and unholy war on a people who have done them no wrong, in violation of the Constitution and the fundamental principles of government. They no longer acknowledge that all government derives its validity from the consent of the governed. They are about to invade our peaceful homes, destroy our property, and inaugurate a servile insurrection, murder our men and dishonor our women. We propose no invasion of the North, no attack on them, and only ask to be left alone.
Ok well it seems to me, (don't you hate that?) I am not getting into the middle of this , but,and you knew there was going to be a butt, seems to me that gatlingunjim is a very intelligent man/woman/rogue scholar/government spie/movie actor/ or alien from outer space. It also seems to me that he took a really long way around to say that on the internet people are anonymous. This is true, to an extent. Many members here have met in person and even may share experiences that two human beings should never have had to do . Having said that, gatlingunjim, I am guessing that you have a lot of 'book' knowledge and not so much trigger time. I am an admirer of many different people for many different reasons, but I reserve a special degree of admiration for those who have slapped the devil in person and walked away from it. There is something you learn about life from horror. There are many times when confronted that someone who has seen and lived much worse than words, will simply walk away knowing they returned to you your life, without you ever knowing that it was 'on the table' to begin with. I will close by saying this place is much too small, the confines to tight to be bitchslapping at each other....lets just agree to disagree without being disagreeable.gatlingun6 wrote:WildBill:WildBill44 wrote:Perhaps our politically argumentative member known as "gatlingun6" is in fact an agent of Obama's Federal government at some level....perhaps reporting to Butch Napolitano, or that upstanding minion of the left, Cass Sunstein. After seeing his positions and postings I think it is a distinct possibility....what do the rest of you think?
Since your post says nothing, the page may as well be blank, ordinarily no reply is merited. However, If emotional and irrational posts do something positive for you, if they bring a smile to your day, and help with frustrations you may have, I'm in your corner. I think happy and satisfied people are better adjusted and more productive. Who can argue with that? If it means I take a personal hit, that's OK. My ego is perfectly capable of handling your ire. My reply would have ended here.
If I ever find the person who put the word "Homeland" into naming that Cabinet, the Department of Homeland Security I'm going to do what some of you do: i.e. who was the Nazi or commie who did that!
......or we could go down to the pit and get it done right...just kidding..... Mr Z. Kudos, you are the master of evasiveness and obfuscation. You mean, if I re-punctuated the sentence you might actually stick with the issue you started or actually answer a question?zephyp wrote:Dear Jim,gatlingun6 wrote: Mr Z.
Another odd post. I'm curious. Do you wait at least 24 or some number of hrs before you submit a reply to a post? When you politiclly label a poster or the President a liberal, a commie, socialist, Marxist, etc. what is your intent? What's the point? In your opinion is that a positive, neutral, or negative label? Are you referring to the messenger or the message? Are you aware that your political labeling of the same person often includes ideologies that are diametrically opposed? Is throwing around political labels your idea of debating the issues? Is it impossible for a smart man to write something stupid or ignorant? If an otherwise intelligent person writes something demonstrably ignorant should the messenger be given the benefit of the doubt? What if that person consistently write ignorant stuff must one accord the statement a degree of seriousness it does not deserve? Is it possible for the messenger to make themselves the message?
Back to your favorite topic the Constitution. Maybe I'm the only one, after reviewing all your posts I have no idea what you mean when you write "The Constitution". So, the Constitution of the United Stated has a short Preamble, 7 Articles, and 27 Amendments. When you write Constitution is that what you mean, every word and every Amendment unless you otherwise qualify the statement? What did you mean when you wrote several times: "We should go back to the Constitution".
As a civil servant of course you are always free to quit or resign for whatever reason. However, nothing in that oath implies that you have any authority to interpret the Constitution. Point of fact, you don't. I hope you are feeling better.
Respectfully, Jim
Btw Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution is about what? Why did you write that the 13th Amendment was unnecessary? Was the 14th necessary?
I'm smart enough to know that punctuation at the end of a sentence goes inside the quotes by American standards. Are you British?
Warmest regards,
DK
gatlingun6 wrote:... you manage to even insult MacDonald employees. Goodness! Does your lack of respect for them extend to all fast food workers? If I'm not mistaken the current CEO of MacDonald's started out working for same.
I suppose I must've pissed in someone's corn flakes for them to not spell the name of the big Golden Arches conglomerate/franchise right... You'd think such pseudo-intellectuals would at least learn the language of the country they're in before attempting to disparage those would guard the sheep against their ways, but things being such as they are, I do in fact have the courage of my convictions - I just hope I never have to prove so.WildBill: It is sooooo obvious you have no earthly idea why the 2nd Amendment was agreed to and what it meant. You all are just hilarious in so called zeal and reverence for a document most of you would not vote for exactly as it is if you had the chance to tomorrow!WildBill44 wrote:Guns WERE part of the "transfer of power" in 1776! It was with this in mind that the Second Amendment was added to the Constitution. It is why we MUST retain the God given right to protect and defend ourselves, our families and our nation against those like Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Company who is intent on destroying our freedom and way of life. If "Jim", or "gatlingun6" or whoever or whatever he is sees no dangers in Obama and his "changes" then he has his head so far up his backside that if he sneezes he will blow the buttons off of his shirt!
Well Moss: Now we know something about you. I.e. you can be fooled by a fake that any teenager and some grade school kids can see! I'm going to guess you don't delve too deeply into Photoshop. Moss if you know any kids go ask them, they'll be happy to show you it's a fake!moss20 wrote:When you've never said the Pledge of Allegiance before, you don't know what to do without a TelePrompTer.
They have their left hands (note the wedding rings) over their right chest. Not the right hand over their hearts!
Oh, try placing your left hand over your right chest and repeat after me "I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE" . Feels so
awkward. What kind of people could actually do this?
ksanftleben wrote:I don't agree with President Obama's policies and politics either, but this photo (and the email that often accompanies it) is a hoax.moss20 wrote:When you've never said the Pledge of Allegiance before, you don't know what to do without a TelePrompTer. They have their left hands (note the wedding rings) over their right chest. Not the right hand over their hearts!
Oh, try placing your left hand over your right chest and repeat after me "I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE" . Feels so
awkward. What kind of people could actually do this?
It is a cropped, mirror-image of the original which was taken on the White House lawn during a commemoration ceremony for the victims of 9-11 on 11 Sep 09. The original photo was published in Newsday. This hoax has photoshopped rings on the Obamas' left hands and photoshopped reverse buttons on his jacket. The hoaxer tried to blur the Marine in the background, but made a mistake when he forgot about the Marine's medals. Even though they are blurred, you can still see them above the wrong pocket on the Marine's uniform.
Here are real photos of the ceremony:
Of course it's a fake and anyone who isn't so filled with hatred for the man would have known that. My guess is they are the same people who cheered and danced in glee when they were "punked" by the phony birth certificate. There's one thing we know about zealots and that is the poisonous bile in their hearts interferes with their reasoning ability. Let's just call it what it is... sheer ignorance to put up an obvious phony photo. People celebrating actually claim to have been in the military, and they didn't notice that the Marine's decoration in the background of the reverse image are on the right side? And that was not the only clue it's a fake!
For you taken in by this hoax, you have been "punked" again! It's the same as when you all failed to notice that The Republic of Kenya did not exist on that date shown on that phony birth certificate that was actually Australian. So in your haste to portray the President as a know knowing you only exposed yourself....
Respectfully Jim
Tell me what you don't know first, then tell me what you know
R/Kurt
Ain't the INTERNETS a great thing! Fifteen to twenty years ago, we used to be limited to crudely produced XEROX copier jokes and tricks that were limited to fooling and amusing those in our own offices. Now we can use some fairly sophisticated editing tools to make very realistic looking hoaxes (and I don't just mean politically-related hoaxes) and fool hundreds of thousands and amuse millions. Yet, it still amazes me how many fall for them; my poor father (bless his heart, at 84 he loves to be on-line) gets suckered all the time.gatlingun6 wrote:ksanftleben wrote:I don't agree with President Obama's policies and politics either, but this photo (and the email that often accompanies it) is a hoax.moss20 wrote:When you've never said the Pledge of Allegiance before, you don't know what to do without a TelePrompTer. They have their left hands (note the wedding rings) over their right chest. Not the right hand over their hearts!
Oh, try placing your left hand over your right chest and repeat after me "I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE" . Feels so
awkward. What kind of people could actually do this?
It is a cropped, mirror-image of the original which was taken on the White House lawn during a commemoration ceremony for the victims of 9-11 on 11 Sep 09. The original photo was published in Newsday. This hoax has photoshopped rings on the Obamas' left hands and photoshopped reverse buttons on his jacket. The hoaxer tried to blur the Marine in the background, but made a mistake when he forgot about the Marine's medals. Even though they are blurred, you can still see them above the wrong pocket on the Marine's uniform.
Here are real photos of the ceremony:
R/Kurt
Of course it's a fake and anyone who isn't so filled with hatred for the man would have known that. My guess is they are the same people who cheered and danced in glee when they were "punked" by the phony birth certificate. There's one thing we know about zealots and that is the poisonous bile in their hearts interferes with their reasoning ability. Let's just call it what it is... sheer ignorance to put up an obvious phony photo. People celebrating actually claim to have been in the military, and they didn't notice that the Marine's decoration in the background of the reverse image are on the right side? And that was not the only clue it's a fake!
For you taken in by this hoax, you have been "punked" again! It's the same as when you all failed to notice that The Republic of Kenya did not exist on that date shown on that phony birth certificate that was actually Australian. So in your haste to portray the President as a know knowing you only exposed yourself....
Respectfully Jim
Tell me what you don't know first, then tell me what you know
Not that Jim needs me to speak for him, but "book knowledge" doesn't preclude "trigger time;" you can certainly have both. I remember in at least one of his earliest posts, Jim mentioned that he was an Army veteran, so he must have some "trigger time."GS78 wrote:Having said that, gatlingunjim, I am guessing that you have a lot of 'book' knowledge and not so much trigger time. I am an admirer of many different people for many different reasons, but I reserve a special degree of admiration for those who have slapped the devil in person and walked away from it.
Dear Jim,gatlingun6 wrote:WildBill: It is sooooo obvious you have no earthly idea why the 2nd Amendment was agreed to and what it meant. You all are just hilarious in so called zeal and reverence for a document most of you would not vote for exactly as it is if you had the chance to tomorrow!WildBill44 wrote:Guns WERE part of the "transfer of power" in 1776! It was with this in mind that the Second Amendment was added to the Constitution. It is why we MUST retain the God given right to protect and defend ourselves, our families and our nation against those like Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Company who is intent on destroying our freedom and way of life. If "Jim", or "gatlingun6" or whoever or whatever he is sees no dangers in Obama and his "changes" then he has his head so far up his backside that if he sneezes he will blow the buttons off of his shirt!
So tell me again what the 2nd Amendment meant WildBill?
Respectfully, Jim
