Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

KennyS wrote:I may have just missed it, but could you supply a email for them so I could as well give them my two cents worth.

It's in one of my posts earlier in this thread. Go back 1 page in this thread or google Massaki Japanese Steakhouse.

To be honest, I don't understand the outrage at a business that decides it would rather not allow open carry. It is their business. I would think that if YOU have a particular personal problem with their policy, you will go somewhere else. Problem solved.

GS78 wrote:To be honest, I don't understand the outrage at a business that decides it would rather not allow open carry. It is their business. I would think that if YOU have a particular personal problem with their policy, you will go somewhere else. Problem solved.

Exactly - we do go elsewhere and then we're sure to let them know that they're losing business because of their policies and we let our friends know about the place.

When we use this tactic, it is an effort to get businesses to reconsider their stance on firearms due to the loss of business that it causes them. When a business changes their view, then that opens up another place that we don't have to worry about leaving our firearm in the vehicle, etc when carrying.

allingeneral wrote:

GS78 wrote:To be honest, I don't understand the outrage at a business that decides it would rather not allow open carry. It is their business. I would think that if YOU have a particular personal problem with their policy, you will go somewhere else. Problem solved.

Exactly - we do go elsewhere and then we're sure to let them know that they're losing business because of their policies and we let our friends know about the place.

When we use this tactic, it is an effort to get businesses to reconsider their stance on firearms due to the loss of business that it causes them. When a business changes their view, then that opens up another place that we don't have to worry about leaving our firearm in the vehicle, etc when carrying.

I understand . How many times has this aproach worked, and can somebody site these instances? just curious, because usually when a business owner is dead set against guns, the only thing that turns them around is being robbed.

I've read more than a couple of stories where this has worked. Specifically, telling the business owner that they are creating a safe-haven for criminals while posting their "Gun free zone" has been talked about a time or two. I'm sure someone can chime in here with some info on one such incidence.

allingeneral wrote:I've read more than a couple of stories where this has worked. Specifically, telling the business owner that they are creating a safe-haven for criminals while posting their "Gun free zone" has been talked about a time or two. I'm sure someone can chime in here with some info on one such incidence.

I've informed my share of business owners up here about this but do not have any direct experience with seeing anyone changing their mind. With that, its like the lottery - it you dont play you cant win.

Just because something rarely happens doesnt mean we shouldnt try. Seeds are very tiny things. In order to see results someone must plant that seed and maybe more than once. Others must come and water and tend the seed. Others must guard the young plant to give it a chance. Once it takes root it will grow and become a large tree providing shelter for many.

GS78 wrote:

allingeneral wrote:

GS78 wrote:To be honest, I don't understand the outrage at a business that decides it would rather not allow open carry. It is their business. I would think that if YOU have a particular personal problem with their policy, you will go somewhere else. Problem solved.

Exactly - we do go elsewhere and then we're sure to let them know that they're losing business because of their policies and we let our friends know about the place.

When we use this tactic, it is an effort to get businesses to reconsider their stance on firearms due to the loss of business that it causes them. When a business changes their view, then that opens up another place that we don't have to worry about leaving our firearm in the vehicle, etc when carrying.

I understand . How many times has this aproach worked, and can somebody site these instances? just curious, because usually when a business owner is dead set against guns, the only thing that turns them around is being robbed.

Sure can!

Fuddruckers on West Broad St in Henrico. They were robbed at gunpoint and the manager (an Army vet) posted a NO GUNS ALLOWED sign after the robbery. A good number of us wrote letters protesting the policy and complained to their corporate office. The manager changed his mind and welcomed us with open arms (pun intended). He admitted that he had put the sign up in haste and he then took it down.

We paid him back for his change in position by having an Open Carry dinner there. Over 100 people in our group ate dinner and it was the most profitable Tuesday night in that restaurant's history.

That is literally putting your money where your mouth is...
NIce example!!

I must say that anyone would be hard pressed to say that we, as a group, do not have excellent follow up...

Carry On!

It's going to be interesting to see how this all changes next year when we are finally able to CC in restaurants (Yes, I'm being optimistic). I suspect that there will be establishments that will ban guns outright, but there will be many more that won't post a sign.

The antis will be heartbroken when the local Applebee's doesn't turn into the O.K. corral on a Friday night.

OakRidgeStars wrote:It's going to be interesting to see how this all changes next year when we are finally able to CC in restaurants (Yes, I'm being optimistic). I suspect that there will be establishments that will ban guns outright, but there will be many more that won't post a sign.

The antis will be heartbroken when the local Applebee's doesn't turn into the O.K. corral on a Friday night.

I'm counting the days until the Gen.Assembly gets that bill to the Governor for his signature.
I assume it should be a done deal by April 2010.

If they don't see it, they won't know and won't care.

allingeneral wrote:BB&T Banks (Entrances marked)
Spotsylvania Mall - Fredericksburg (Some entrances marked)
SunTrust Bank (Not posted - Corporate policy)

Unless posted I'm assuming CC is OK. What else could we think. COMMENTS PLEASE

ccbob wrote: Unless posted I'm assuming CC is OK. What else could we think. COMMENTS PLEASE

That's correct. If the property is not posted at the entrances then CC or OC is permitted. However, if you're OC'ing and asked to leave, you must comply.

OakRidgeStars wrote:

ccbob wrote: Unless posted I'm assuming CC is OK. What else could we think. COMMENTS PLEASE

That's correct. If the property is not posted at the entrances then CC or OC is permitted. However, if you're OC'ing and asked to leave, you must comply.

Yup. Add Wachovia bank to the list and the branches I've visited do have signs.

"BB&T Banks (Entrances marked)"

The Staunton branch I use isn't posted on the door. I CC there.

Keep in mind ALL REGAL CINEMAS are anti-gun, and ALL SIMON MALLS are anti-gun. I have been around, and around with them to no avail trying to knock some sense into them.

BOWTIE is NOT, BUT they serve alcohol, and I haven't OC'd in quite some time.

You know what would be an idea, let some of the "on the fence" restaurants have an OC night, see the profit, see the orderly polite customers, and that COULD encourage others to do it!

You get more flies with honey than vinegar.

Or, have an OC dinner at a gun-friendly establishment and fax copies of the total bill to the gun-unfriendly establishment with a note. "Here's what we were going to spend at your place. Instead, we went to your competitor."

I will NOT leave my weapons in my car to shop or to eat. The only place I will leave them in the car is when I go to an event at my grand daughters school. Them all I carry is my knife, and me.

OakRidgeStars wrote:Or, have an OC dinner at a gun-friendly establishment and fax copies of the total bill to the gun-unfriendly establishment with a note. "Here's what we were going to spend at your place. Instead, we went to your competitor."

Include on that fax the flip side of the VCDL card where it describes who/what a CHP holder is.

I don't get it, really.