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[VBshooter]

Man will these asshats ever stop ? Now they want to bribe the AMA to except the crappy health care that the Congressional dummies are hopelessly butchering to appease the little boy in the White House.. 245 Billion Dollars to the AMA < Screw the citizens, screw the deficit , It seems this is their muse to continue doing the same old,same old, Can 2010 get here quick enough?

WASHINGTON -- House Democrats want to give doctors a $245 billion sweetener that helps ensure their critical support for a health care overhaul bill. Next up: Trying to explain how they could do it without breaking President Barack Obama's promise that health legislation won't increase the federal deficit.

Obama reiterated the pledge in a "CBS Evening News" interview Tuesday, saying: "It's got to be deficit neutral. It can't add to our deficits."

So what of the Congressional Budget Office's conclusion that the House bill does add to the deficit?

Democrats and the Obama administration argue that the $245 billion included for doctors -- the approximate 10-year cost of adjusting Medicare reimbursement rates so physicians don't face big annual pay cuts -- does not have to be counted in the overall cost of the health care bill.

Their only-in-Washington reasoning is that they already decided to exempt it from congressional "pay-as-you-go" rules that require new programs to be paid for. In other words, it doesn't have to be paid for because they decided it doesn't have to be paid for.

The administration also says that since Obama already included the so-called "doc fix" in his 10-year budget proposal, it doesn't have to be counted again in the health overhaul bill.

"It so happens they added that to this piece of legislation, but that's sort of already baked into our fiscal trajectory," White House budget director Peter Orszag said last weekend on "FOX News Sunday."

"We're looking at what's happening with regard to new policy," Orszag added. "And with regard to new policy, this is deficit neutral over the first decade."

Old policy or new, no one disputes that the "doc fix" does in fact add to the deficit. And the administration's position carried no weight with the CBO when it released its analysis of the House Democrats' bill.

The CBO, Congress' nonpartisan budget scorekeeper, said Friday that enacting the legislation "would result in a net increase to the federal budget deficit of $239 billion over the 2010-2019 period." The increase is mostly because of Democrats' failure to pay for the "doc fix," but CBO didn't even bother to entertain the notion that its cost should be excluded.

The response from House Democrats? A slough of triumphant press releases claiming -- misleadingly -- that CBO's estimates backed up their claims that their bill was deficit neutral.

The issue is providing ammunition for Republicans, who are accusing Obama of breaking his deficit-neutrality promise. And health experts scoff at the Democrats' fuzzy math.

"Of course it adds to the deficit," said Alex Vachon, a health policy analyst. But at the same time, Vachon and others give the Obama administration and congressional Democrats some credit for attempting to permanently fix the doctor payment issue.

Since its enactment in 1997 the so-called "sustainable growth rate" mechanism, which uses a complex formula to establishes annual target costs for physicians' services under Medicare, has not kept up with actual costs.

That's required Congress to step in almost annually with one-year fixes to prevent doctors from facing ever-bigger potential cuts in payment rates. The cut that loomed for doctors in 2010 was 21 percent. Without a permanent redo of the payment formula Congress would presumably have had to continue to do one-year fixes, something that would also have cost money and that doctors hated because of the uncertainty involved.

The "doc fix" has been a top priority for the American Medical Association, which cited its inclusion as a key reason in its endorsement of the House Democrats' sweeping health care bill.

In the Senate, Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., who is presiding over negotiations aimed at a bipartisan agreement on health care, said the issue of paying for the "doc fix" has not yet come up in the talks.

Robert Laszewski, a former insurance company executive who's now a consultant to industry, contended doctors were "paid off" to support the House bill.

"The AMA would not have endorsed the House bill without the doc fix," Laszewski said. "The fact that the CBO has said the doc fix would add hundreds of billions of dollars to the cost of the bill makes clear how much it is worth to the docs."

Asked to comment, the AMA provided a written statement from the group's president, Dr. James Rohack: "Expansion of health care coverage, elimination of denials for pre-existing conditions and repeal of the flawed Medicare physician payment formula are all reasons the AMA supports the House bill."

[GS78]

It turns out that Obama really does understand community healthcare issues.....





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[OakRidgeStars]

I have to agree with Senator Jim DeMint(R) when he described the healthcare overhaul as Obama's "Waterloo". If this push fails, which I believe it will, it will crush him. Then everyone will see just how inept and inexperienced he really is. I'm predicting an approval rating drop to around 50% by the end of the year.

[VBshooter]

I;m willing to stick my neck out and go 40%,, Once the dead wood knows that that all the freebies are not coming,that the Congress actually does run this country,they will drop their support for him quicker than the Italians dropped Mussolini in WW2, Of course we;ll also hear all the bellyachin about how the Republicans screwed them, the Democrats sold them out, Obama got a bad rap, etc::: ...All the ususal garbage. The thing that will do it for a lot of us is showing the dead wood that the working class isn;t dead and socialist welfare is not going to fly. Come on 2010,,,

[Moccasin]

The problem is that currently Congress is run by the bunch of idiots that Obama came from, liberals in Congress and the White House can give the freebies out the way they want in an attempt to satisfy the "dead wood" that voted them in. Think about it, they want to include illegal aliens in the health care plan, they also want to make it easier to go from illegal alien to legally in the country, if that includes citizenship then all of a sudden there are a lot of voters that have benefitted from the freebies.

[Bobtail1911]

The problem is that currently Congress is run by the bunch of idiots that Obama came from, liberals in Congress and the White House can give the freebies out the way they want in an attempt to satisfy the "dead wood" that voted them in.

Take Congress' toys away. Repeal the 16th and 17th amendments. Force them to spend within their means.

Think of it. No more income tax. The hidden tax on the employer's side would be gone too.

Senators would be appointed by their respective State legislatures, but the States would be responsible to come up with their portion of the federal expenditures. States have to balance their budgets, its time the Federal Government returned to the way it was before 1913.

The major check on deficit spending was eliminated in 1913 when Senators were no longer reliant on their State Government for appointment and the States were no longer on the hook for federal expenditures.

All of these 10th amendment proclamations, most recently by Alaska, have no teeth without the repeal of the 16th and 17th amendments. 33 States have passed this type of resolution, wasting their time IMO.

We need to take our Congress back and our States and Commonwealths need to be working on repealing the 16th and 17th amendments.

[zephyp]

The problem is that currently Congress is run by the bunch of idiots that Obama came from, liberals in Congress and the White House can give the freebies out the way they want in an attempt to satisfy the "dead wood" that voted them in. Think about it, they want to include illegal aliens in the health care plan, they also want to make it easier to go from illegal alien to legally in the country, if that includes citizenship then all of a sudden there are a lot of voters that have benefitted from the freebies.

I'm almost willing to agree with amnesty - IF AND ONLY IF - they shut down the borders (both of them please). That would be a somewhat feasible concession IF it would stop the flow.

As for granting illegals federally subsidized health care or ANY benefit except a bus ride to the border - not today, not tomorrow, not ever - EVER!!!!!

[Vahunter]

I'd almost go along with Obama's health care. On the condition that he and congress give up their present health care and have the same as everyone else. But that ain't gonna happen, the messiah said so himself.