George Soros rewriting the US Constitution

[wpoppert]

Feel free to live in the woods and be free, cold, and hungry. I'll pay my taxes and enjoy civilization.

Kreutz attempts to perpetuate the myth that proponents of liberty are anarchists. I am growing weary of this non sequitur from the liberal quarters. Government is like salt. In small amounts, it can improve some things, and is even necessary for one's health. Any more than the minimum required, however, will ruin everything and eventually kill you. I am happy to pay my taxes to support the necessary functions of government, but I don't think tax laws should be designed to penalize people for success, nor should they attempt to control behavior (like our current complex scheme of deductions and credits). If government is properly limited in scope, taxes need not be oppressive.

+1

Exactly.

Edit: That's a pretty good analogy, I may just have to barrow it.

Thank you! Please do!

[Kreutz]

And burn your little pinch of incense to Ceasar in subserviance .

I render undo Caesar what is his. Why can't you?

Man you are missing the point. Down through history big government has tried to get more power, how? by bribing the little people with heath care, with gladitorial games, with lotterys,
with all the things that are "fun" in life.

I fail to see how healthcare (that I would pay into and then get to use) is a "bribe" (ditto for voluntary revenue schemes like lotteries) when one can get a service in return for participation. A necessary service in the case of healthcare incidentally.

What they are doing is taking away your choice, because freedom=choice. The choice to pick what car you want, the choice to pick the gun you want, the choice to work without anyone's permission,(read government liscense)

Choice is as illusory as "freedom" though. I want a flying car that never requires fuel or maintenance. Guess I'm screwed huh?

the choice to go out on the highways and byways and search for work with out permission for the government ,

You mean the socialist network of interstates paid for with taxpayer money and acquired through serious use of eminent domain? You don't seriously use those Nazi (fact!) spiderwebs do you?

A real free-man would sooner die than set foot (cant set wheel to them because the freedom hating government requires licenses, titles, and plates for cars) on them! At least walking everywhere keeps one fit I guess.

the choice to do what YOU want without government meddling. Is this way of life harder than what you want?

Given the choice between a functional orderly society and the anarchist (yes, you are anarchists in that you hate government) dystopia you wish for, I choose meddling.

I like government meddling with people who wish to sell me rotten meat, dump coal slurry in my water, sell appliances that would catch fire, etc.

Hands down choose meddling.

yes, but that is the price to pay to have freedom/choice because some of us dont want to "bow the knee", "to burn the little pinch of incense", to look to the government for handouts.

How do you reconcile the fact the government invented the Internet with bashing it on the Internet? Unless you somehow developed your own parallel Internet from scratch from your compound in the woods(as living in civilization would mean you had to pay taxes I can only assume you live totally cut off from society) and laid your own cable (like a free-marketing Johnny Appleseed) you're using a government invented, taxpayer supported invention.

I want to be able to choose my own way without interference from anyone but god Almighty.

I certainly admire your dedication to live totally isolated from government as you do. May you be an inspiration to all those hypocrites who rail against government and taxes yet continue to have their trash picked up, roads plowed, telecommunications subsidized, etc.

Godspeed good sir!

[wpoppert]

I certainly admire your dedication to live totally isolated from government as you do. May you be an inspiration to all those hypocrites who rail against government and taxes yet continue to have their trash picked up, roads plowed, telecommunications subsidized, etc.

Godspeed good sir!

With due credit to President Reagan: "There you go again!" I don't think there are many anarchists among us, but you keep arguing that same tired line, that anyone who disagrees with you is an anarchist. Your argument is fallacious.

[gunderwood]

I certainly admire your dedication to live totally isolated from government as you do. May you be an inspiration to all those hypocrites who rail against government and taxes yet continue to have their trash picked up, roads plowed, telecommunications subsidized, etc.

Godspeed good sir!

With due credit to President Reagan: "There you go again!" I don't think there are many anarchists among us, but you keep arguing that same tired line, that anyone who disagrees with you is an anarchist. Your argument is fallacious.

[Jakeiscrazy]

Choice is as illusory as "freedom" though. I want a flying car that never requires fuel or maintenance. Guess I'm screwed huh?

That is not a choice you have. It literally does not exist. You can chose to go invent such a car if you wish. Freedom is to be without external control or interference. Government, when done right, helps maintain this freedom by holding those accountable that attempt to infringe on your rights. There purpose so not to infringe on my rights. There purpose is not to mandate that I must buy insurance. Nor is to restrict my right to keep and bear arms when I have not shown to be a threat to society. The governments purpose is not to tell me that I must eat a certain food and exercise a certain amount.

I fail to see how healthcare (that I would pay into and then get to use) is a "bribe" (ditto for voluntary revenue schemes like lotteries) when one can get a service in return for participation. A necessary service in the case of healthcare incidentally.

Healthcare is just one gateway to more regulation. The next law may be that we must mandate that a certain number of healthy foods be eaten a day. It will be made under the claim that fat people are causing an outrageous deficit in the system and that is the solution. Or perhaps that to many people are causing liver damage by drinking. So we need a law to regulate that. You may be thinking to yourself "I don't do any of that stuff why should I care? Go ahead!". You should care because one day they'll be coming for you. Gunning for something you enjoy and be then it will be to late to stop them.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

[Tweaker]

Tweaker, there were a lot of big words in there, we aren't but humble pirates....

I very much enjoyed your breakdown. I have never heard it put that way but it makes perfect sense. I applaud your analysis.

Just for that, I will make you yell ARRRGH everytime I hand you a homebrew at Sgt. Bills! Eye patched and parrot shouldered drink free!

[gunderwood]

Choice is as illusory as "freedom" though. I want a flying car that never requires fuel or maintenance. Guess I'm screwed huh?

That is not a choice you have. It literally does not exist. You can chose to go invent such a car if you wish. Freedom is to be without external control or interference. Government, when done right, helps maintain this freedom by holding those accountable that attempt to infringe on your rights. There purpose so not to infringe on my rights. There purpose is not to mandate that I must buy insurance. Nor is to restrict my right to keep and bear arms when I have not shown to be a threat to society. The governments purpose is not to tell me that I must eat a certain food and exercise a certain amount.

+1

Government is literally the legalization of force...force, like a hammer, can not solve all problems. The only problem that force solves best is to restrain and punish those who harm you by infringing on your natural rights. That legalization and appropriate application of force does not civilize society, the people who created such a limited government already did that; the government they created is just the tool of such a civilized people and society.

I fail to see how healthcare (that I would pay into and then get to use) is a "bribe" (ditto for voluntary revenue schemes like lotteries) when one can get a service in return for participation. A necessary service in the case of healthcare incidentally.

We've been over that several times in many threads before. It's a matter of choice. Your choice in health care isn't a violation of someone else's natural rights, so the government (force) can not best solve that problem. As the legalization of force, government run schemes are hardly voluntary.

When I pay for a service I have made the choice to do so. It is a contract between me and the service provider. That is entirely contrary to Obamacare where I am being forced to participate against my will. My desire to chose my health care options is not a violation of another's rights. Furthermore, since there is no violation of my rights, government has no business being in health care.

[jannypan]

CAN I GET THAT ONE PLEASE!? Because this "nanny state" crap is getting REALLY old.

[zephyp]

Feel free to live in the woods and be free, cold, and hungry. I'll pay my taxes and enjoy civilization.

Its the folks who did these very things long ago so folks like you could "enjoy" the benefits such as they are. People built this country doing just that...living and providing for themselves. Why so many think that the government needs to help them is far beyond me. If the government would merely step out of the way I and many others could indeed help themselves alot more.

You my friend stand on a slippery slope. How many more taxes will you have to pay in the future to "enjoy" civilization. IIRC you are still pretty young. You have a lot to look forward to if things continue along the current path.

Think about all the taxes you currently pay that only get higher. Think about all the dumb restrictive laws that get passed with more in the queue.

How many years do you have left to "enjoy" this civilization?

You might want to start thinking in terms of how many years you have to help change the current course so you're children and theirs dont have to live in some kind of Orwellian 1984 society...

[jim100]

I have no problem obeying the government, as long as it is in accord with the highest power, Yahweh.

I render unto Ceasar what is his, why can't you?

Because he is not doing what Yahweh said for government to do.

I fail to see how health care (that I would pay into and then get to use) is a "bribe" (ditto for voluntary schemes like lotteries) when one can get a service in return for participation. A necessary service in the case of health care incidentally.

Obamacare is not voluntary, they want me to take treatments that are IMO detrimental to my health. I could go to jail for trying alternative medicine like bitter almonds.

Choice is as illusory as "freedom" though. I want a flying car that never requires fuel or maintenance. Guess I'm screwed huh?

Really?

You mean the socialist network of interstates paid for with taxpayer money and acquired through serious use of eminent domain? You don't seriously use those Nazi (fact!) spiderwebs do you?

A real free-man would sooner die than set foot (cant set wheel to them because the freedom hating government requires licenses, titles, and plates for cars) on them! At least walking everywhere keeps one fit I guess.

Christ never said I shouldn't use the highways or that I shouldn't help pay for them, he said that I shouldn't ask permission from worldly governments when He had already given the express permission to "go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature", he didn't say "go to Ceasar and get permission and then go ye unto all the world and preach the gospel to every creature" now did he?

I pay for the highways every time I go to the pump and get some gas.

BTW I don't have any of those licenses, titles, or plates.

Given the choice between a functional orderly society and the anarchist (yes, you are anarchists in that you hate the government) dystopia you wish for, I choose meddling.

Since when have I said I want total chaos? Is the definition of anarchist, government hater? If so than tell that to the estimated 100million dead under the various communist dictatorships, tell that to the victims of Waco, to the pregnant mother on Ruby ridge, to the millions of serbs, afghans, palestinians, and others that have died just because the United States government couldn't keep its nose out of it. Pathetic.

I like government meddling with people that wish to sell me rotten meat. dump coal slurry in my water, sell appliance that would catch fire, ect

Hands down choose meddling

Right they just sell you drugs that make you even sicker, vaccines that give your kids autism, food that is pasteurized, homogenized, and genetically altered, lightbulbs that have mercury, spray poisons on you from chem trails, put fluoride in your water, etc, etc, etc.

How do you reconcile the fact the government invented the Internet with bashing it on the Internet? Unless you somehow developed your own parallel Internet from scratch from your compound in the woods(as living in civilization would mean you had to pay taxes I can only assume you live totally cut off from society) and laid your own cable (like a free marketing Johnny Appleseed) you're using government invented, taxpayer supported invention.

The same way I drive on the roads, I pay for it. Again the Internet is just another way to "go ye unto all the world and preach the gospel to every creature" the same reasons apply.

I certainly admire your dedication to live totally isolated from the government as you do. May you be an inspiration to all those hypocrites who rail against government and taxes yet continue to have their trash picked up, road plowed, telecommunications subsidized, etc.

I take my own trash to the dump. I pay for the "maintenance of the roads" at the pump. last time I checked I still had a phone bill, I pay that too.

In His Holy Name, Jim.

[CCFan]

Jim, well said... I can't find anything in your writing that I disagree with on any level...

[Kreutz]

You my friend stand on a slippery slope. How many more taxes will you have to pay in the future to "enjoy" civilization. IIRC you are still pretty young. You have a lot to look forward to if things continue along the current path.

Think about all the taxes you currently pay that only get higher. Think about all the dumb restrictive laws that get passed with more in the queue.

Funny you mention that, I would be willing to pay double or even triple the taxes I pay now; if I received double or triple services accordingly. Since this country will never truly become socialist and the middle class will continue to be screwed accordingly, it does behoove me to do what the rich do; pay as little tax as possible while trying to maximize my gains from society.

I'm 28 and have three kids in diapers..and my wife and I spend much of our time in a fatigued haze....dont feel "pretty young".

[Kreutz]

I have no problem obeying the government, as long as it is in accord with the highest power, Yahweh.


Because he is not doing what Yahweh said for government to do.

The NT never really did cover government much beyond the census tax.

Obamacare is not voluntary, they want me to take treatments that are IMO detrimental to my health. I could go to jail for trying alternative medicine like bitter almonds.

This is as realistic as the "death panels". Forced medical treatment (specifically vaccinations) was ruled unconstitutional around 1907 or so.

Christ never said I shouldn't use the highways or that I shouldn't help pay for them, he said that I shouldn't ask permission from worldly governments when He had already given the express permission to "go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature", he didn't say "go to Ceasar and get permission and then go ye unto all the world and preach the gospel to every creature" now did he?

I think you are referring to Kingdom of God here, but I'm not sure?

BTW I don't have any of those licenses, titles, or plates.

How do you operate a motor vehicle on public roads then?

Since when have I said I want total chaos?

Wait a second, when did I say 'total chaos"? You wish to go back to the castrated government of the days of radium-water, child labor, tuberculosis epidemics, ground up Polish meatpacker hands in hamburger, and presumably the jitterbug.

Is the definition of anarchist, government hater? If so than tell that to the estimated 100million dead under the various communist dictatorships, tell that to the victims of Waco, to the pregnant mother on Ruby ridge, to the millions of serbs, afghans, palestinians, and others that have died just because the United States government couldn't keep its nose out of it. Pathetic.

I can easily turn this around and ask how many died at the hands one fighting for Christ? Its a meaningless exercise, the atrocity blame game.

Right they just sell you drugs that make you even sicker, vaccines that give your kids autism, food that is pasteurized, homogenized, and genetically altered, lightbulbs that have mercury, spray poisons on you from chem trails, put fluoride in your water, etc, etc, etc.

Private companies make the vaccines, food, lightbulbs, fertilizers etc. If no one made them...they wouldnt exist.

The same way I drive on the roads, I pay for it. Again the Internet is just another way to "go ye unto all the world and preach the gospel to every creature" the same reasons apply.

the Interwebs was invented by DARPA to prevent shutdown of government communications in case the USSR nuked us (and our power lines incidentally). So no, its an actual "fruit of government" so to speak, you should not partake in it.

[zephyp]

You my friend stand on a slippery slope. How many more taxes will you have to pay in the future to "enjoy" civilization. IIRC you are still pretty young. You have a lot to look forward to if things continue along the current path.

Think about all the taxes you currently pay that only get higher. Think about all the dumb restrictive laws that get passed with more in the queue.

Funny you mention that, I would be willing to pay double or even triple the taxes I pay now; if I received double or triple services accordingly. Since this country will never truly become socialist and the middle class will continue to be screwed accordingly, it does behoove me to do what the rich do; pay as little tax as possible while trying to maximize my gains from society.

I'm 28 and have three kids in diapers..and my wife and I spend much of our time in a fatigued haze....dont feel "pretty young".

I'm quite curious...can you please cite at least 5 examples of these services you already receive?

[gunderwood]

You my friend stand on a slippery slope. How many more taxes will you have to pay in the future to "enjoy" civilization. IIRC you are still pretty young. You have a lot to look forward to if things continue along the current path.

Think about all the taxes you currently pay that only get higher. Think about all the dumb restrictive laws that get passed with more in the queue.

Funny you mention that, I would be willing to pay double or even triple the taxes I pay now; if I received double or triple services accordingly. Since this country will never truly become socialist and the middle class will continue to be screwed accordingly, it does behoove me to do what the rich do; pay as little tax as possible while trying to maximize my gains from society.

I'm 28 and have three kids in diapers..and my wife and I spend much of our time in a fatigued haze....dont feel "pretty young".

It isn't just about receiving services. Unless force it the appropriate modulus operandi, the government is horribly inefficient at providing those services. There is no competing with a government solution, it's one size fits all, alternatives are not explored, etc.

Furthermore, and more important IMHO, is the fact that it is the anti-thesis of liberty. It promotes dependence on the government to make good decisions for you. It is socialism despite you claims to the contrary.

[gunderwood]

The NT never really did cover government much beyond the census tax.

I'm guessing you've never heard of, read, or studied Romans 13? The Bible is pretty clear that Christians are to render unto the civil magistrates that which they are due, but only when such magistrates are performing their civil duties as defined in the Bible. When they are not, nothing is due to them as they are false and harmful entity, resistance (which doesn't mean violence) is usually considered required.

If you want to understand what the founders thought about it, Johnathan Mayhew's "When is Resistance Duty?" John Adams credited this sermon as the real beginning of the American Revolution a whole decade before violence.

This is as realistic as the "death panels". Forced medical treatment (specifically vaccinations) was ruled unconstitutional around 1907 or so.

Yet, I'm being forced to participate in it none the less.

Wait a second, when did I say 'total chaos"?

You've used the classification of anarchy/anarchist several times...

the Interwebs was invented by DARPA to prevent shutdown of government communications in case the USSR nuked us (and our power lines incidentally). So no, its an actual "fruit of government" so to speak, you should not partake in it.

Once again you are pedaling the false narrative of limited, Constitutional government as anarchy. The logic discussion chart says you must quite using that false argument.

[jim100]

I think you are referring to the Kingdom of God here, but I'm not sure?

I am saying that Christ gave his followers a charge, that being to "go ye unto all the world and preach the gospel to every creature". So any government that gets in the way of doing it is against Christ and his word.

How do you operate a motor vehicle on public highways then?

Because getting license's, titles, or plates, require you to sign. In law if you have to sign something it is voluntary. Mandatory law is just that, mandatory. If you kill someone do the police ask for your signature? No they just throw you in jail. Therefore since it is voluntary to get those license's, titles, and plates,I don't have to get them. I am free to do my Father's business without asking for permission from the government. Now that's not to say that they will just let you go without a fight, because they never hear about people doing this, they are like you Kreutz, they think that what I am telling you is all just a bunch of crap and that getting license's, and titles, and plates, are mandatory. Sure you are going to be harassed and threatened but as time passes they realize that, hey these guys have it right and eventually leave you alone.

Is the definition of anarchist, government hater? If so than tell that to the estimated 100million dead under the various communist dictatorships, tell that to the victims of Waco, to the pregnant mother on Ruby ridge, to the millions of serbs, afghans, palestinians, and others that have died just because the United states government couldn't keep its nose out of it. Pathetic.

I can easily turn this around and ask how many died at the hands one fighting for Christ? Its a meaningless exercise, the atrocity blame game.

Christ never said "go ye unto all the world and preach the gospel to every creature, but if they don't listen just kill them all" did he? Christ never killed anyone. Those people that murdered "in Christ's name" will get their just reward before the judgment seat, just like us all. What you are trying to do is say that Christ is just as responsible for those murders commited " in Christ's name" as the governments are when the governments have done this just because the people didn't "conform",or pay taxes, or didn't think the government was supposed to be worshiped like a god.


I think you missed the point in my post, you said that,

I like government meddling with people who wish to sell me rotten meat, dump coal slurry in my water, sell appliances that would catch fire, etc

Hands down choose meddling

Then I responded,

Right they just sell you drugs that make you even sicker, vaccines that give your kids autism food that is pasteurized, homogenized, and genetically altered, light bulbs that have mercury, spray poisons on you from chem trails, put fluoride on your water, etc, etc, etc.

What I was getting at was that the government lets all this stuff through anyway so the government meddling is doing nothing to help you. While taking away your freedom.

The same way I drive on the roads, I pay for it. Again the Internet is just another way to "go ye unto all the world and preach the gospel to every creature" the same reasons apply.

the Interwebs was invented by DARPA to prevent shut down of government communications in case the USSR nuked us (and our power lines incidentally) So no, its an actual "fruit of the government" so to speak, so you should not partake in it.

So what? I still pay for it. It is not evil in and of itself. It is just like the way I can drive on the roads. They are not inherently evil, I pay for them, And most importantly Christ never said we couldn't use it to spread the gospel.


As to you other posts gunderwood has stated an ample rebuttal, with one exception.

Once again you are pedaling the false narrative of limited, Constitutional government as anarchy.

I am fully aware what I am about to say is going to alienate almost all of the people on this forum that I have not already.

I am not saying we should go back the constitution, I am saying we should drop the constitution and go back to the Bible. the constitution is flawed. I'm sorry but since it was made by men it is flawed in ways that let the later generations interpret it in a more and more ungodly light.

[Kreutz]

It isn't just about receiving services. Unless force it the appropriate modulus operandi, the government is horribly inefficient at providing those services. There is no competing with a government solution, it's one size fits all, alternatives are not explored, etc.

Furthermore, and more important IMHO, is the fact that it is the anti-thesis of liberty. It promotes dependence on the government to make good decisions for you. It is socialism despite you claims to the contrary.

Force works though. It works really good. lets do an exercise.

A law is passed today mandating all privately owned firearms be turned over to your local police department one week from today, with thorough house to house searches to begin commencing on day 8. The punishment is a minimum of 20 years in federal prison for possessing any firearms of ammo.


Do you comply?

Now, we've all heard the saber-rattling "from my cold dead hands", blah blah blah.

However, most people just want to be left alone (and incidentally not be sodomized for 20 years), so they will comply, defiant jingoism or not.

Now, the holdouts will have to deal with these friendly fellows:



Hey, what do you know, you're John Wayne! You killed them all!

Unfortunately...they do respawn, and now you have these guys knocking down your door (and wall):



And they have eyes in the sky too....so you can't retreat:



But what the hell, this is fun, youre Rambo! (they laughed when you cashed out your 401k to buy the Javelin for the APC and the Stinger missile for the pesky chopper-whos laughing now?!)

As you stand, covered in blood and guts like the whirlwind of death you are, unfortunately at some point somehting like this is going to show up and reduce your home/compound/tree fort to a crater:



What do you know? Force won! When the only tool you have is a hammer, well, treat everything like a nail. It wont mind when its been bashed into oblivion anyway.

One side point, what exactly do you define "socialism" as? I define it as an economic model in which certain industries(typically infrastructure, defense, utilities, and in our more enlightened nations healthcare) are in the hands of the people/government, and the rest is in private property/markets.

Thats the socialism I follow. Please dont confuse it with Marxism where there is no private industry/property.

[Jakeiscrazy]

It isn't just about receiving services. Unless force it the appropriate modulus operandi, the government is horribly inefficient at providing those services. There is no competing with a government solution, it's one size fits all, alternatives are not explored, etc.

Furthermore, and more important IMHO, is the fact that it is the anti-thesis of liberty. It promotes dependence on the government to make good decisions for you. It is socialism despite you claims to the contrary.

Force works though. It works really good. lets do an exercise.

A law is passed today mandating all privately owned firearms be turned over to your local police department one week from today, with thorough house to house searches to begin commencing on day 8. The punishment is a minimum of 20 years in federal prison for possessing any firearms of ammo.


Do you comply?

Now, we've all heard the saber-rattling "from my cold dead hands", blah blah blah.

However, most people just want to be left alone (and incidentally not be sodomized for 20 years), so they will comply, defiant jingoism or not.

Now, the holdouts will have to deal with these friendly fellows:



Hey, what do you know, you're John Wayne! You killed them all!

Unfortunately...they do respawn, and now you have these guys knocking down your door (and wall):



And they have eyes in the sky too....so you can't retreat:



But what the hell, this is fun, youre Rambo! (they laughed when you cashed out your 401k to buy the Javelin for the APC and the Stinger missile for the pesky chopper-whos laughing now?!)

As you stand, covered in blood and guts like the whirlwind of death you are, unfortunately at some point somehting like this is going to show up and reduce your home/compound/tree fort to a crater:



What do you know? Force won! When the only tool you have is a hammer, well, treat everything like a nail. It wont mind when its been bashed into oblivion anyway.

One side point, what exactly do you define "socialism" as? I define it as an economic model in which certain industries(typically infrastructure, defense, utilities, and in our more enlightened nations healthcare) are in the hands of the people/government, and the rest is in private property/markets.

Thats the socialism I follow. Please dont confuse it with Marxism where there is no private industry/property.

I suppose your one of the "I'd rather live on my knees than die on my feet." types. That attitude of surrender is not what built America in fact it's the opposite. After reviewing your posts I think that you would find yourself best suited in France.

[Stonewall]

Hey guys, the Constitution is long gone...

Constitution - “We are under a Constitution, but the Constitution is what the judges say it is.” Charles Evans Hughes, Supreme Court Justice, in Dictionary of American Maxims (1955), p. 88.

Constitution - “While the union survived the civil war, the Constitution did not.” First black Supreme Court Justice, Thurgood Marshall, delivered in a bicentennial speech at Maui, Hawaii on 6 May 1987.

Constitution - "The 'original republic', the one for which our forefathers fought face to face, hand to hand, exists only in the minds of academics and fundamentalist patriots. The republic created in 1789 is long gone. It died with the 600,000 Americans killed in the Civil War." Columbia Law Professor George P. Fletcher in the June 23rd, 1997 issue of 'The New Republic', page 14.

If the Constitution is legally on the shelf as stated above...
...then a Kenyan born racist communist bastard in the Whitehouse has broken no law and the US Supreme Court has no obligation to hear the case.

If the Constitution were in effect which is supposed to protect the Bill of Rights, then there would never exist 20,000+ gun "law" infringements on the books.