7th Dist - Pro-gun alternative candidate to replace Cantor

[OgenRwot]

Why would you ever join a debate when you consistently win elections with over 60% of the vote? There is not one single elected official that joins that debate anywhere in this country. Why do it? You have nothing to gain by it at all. What could happen is an opponent takes a comment out of text and has a negative ad against you. No reason to give sound bites to the Democrats.

We have the second most powerful Congressman in the House and you want to get rid of him? That's just plain stupid.

And by the way, the GOA and the NRA gave cantor an A.

How is he on the issues? Here's his record:
http://www.ontheissues.org/va/Eric_Cant ... ontrol.htm

Just because he has an event at a place that doesn't allow guns doesn't mean he's anti-gun. Hell every single Congressman in the country works in a Federal Building and guess what that means? NO GUNS! Vote them all out!

[Diomed]

Vote them all out!

Works for me.

[Virginia2AM]

... We have the second most powerful Congressman in the House and you want to get rid of him? That's just plain stupid.

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Just because he has an event at a place that doesn't allow guns doesn't mean he's anti-gun. Hell every single Congressman in the country works in a Federal Building and guess what that means? NO GUNS! Vote them all out!

Stupid? just because he is powerfull does not mean he is any good for my principles.

You must be naive like I was 10 years ago, or just missing the (huge) detail here - He has guns, plenty of them. OTHER people carry his guns for him and their job is to die for him if need comes. So, even if he is not carrying one - he is not about to give up his life without a fight - just that he is not the one who will be doing the fighting. That's what all politicians and celebrities do - speak against guns and then hire men to protect them - with guns! he-he-he

[gunderwood]

Vote them all out!

Works for me.

Me too.

[CowboyT]

... We have the second most powerful Congressman in the House and you want to get rid of him? That's just plain stupid.

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Just because he has an event at a place that doesn't allow guns doesn't mean he's anti-gun. Hell every single Congressman in the country works in a Federal Building and guess what that means? NO GUNS! Vote them all out!

Stupid? just because he is powerfull does not mean he is any good for my principles.

You must be naive like I was 10 years ago, or just missing the (huge) detail here - He has guns, plenty of them. OTHER people carry his guns for him and their job is to die for him if need comes. So, even if he is not carrying one - he is not about to give up his life without a fight - just that he is not the one who will be doing the fighting. That's what all politicians and celebrities do - speak against guns and then hire men to protect them - with guns! he-he-he

Right on, Leyla. Once again, the lady from the former Soviet Union speaks wisdom. The sad part is that so many folks in the 7th District voted for Mr. Cantor, likely just because he has an "R" next to his name. It's just like those who vote for the one with the "D" next to his/hers. Those who "just vote Party line" are not helping to improve this country one bit.

How ironic that I, an avowed Liberal, understand this, but so many others who despise Liberals don't wake up and see it. Yes, how ironic, indeed.

[OgenRwot]

... We have the second most powerful Congressman in the House and you want to get rid of him? That's just plain stupid.

...
Just because he has an event at a place that doesn't allow guns doesn't mean he's anti-gun. Hell every single Congressman in the country works in a Federal Building and guess what that means? NO GUNS! Vote them all out!

Stupid? just because he is powerfull does not mean he is any good for my principles.

You must be naive like I was 10 years ago, or just missing the (huge) detail here - He has guns, plenty of them. OTHER people carry his guns for him and their job is to die for him if need comes. So, even if he is not carrying one - he is not about to give up his life without a fight - just that he is not the one who will be doing the fighting. That's what all politicians and celebrities do - speak against guns and then hire men to protect them - with guns! he-he-he

So what exactly did he say that makes him anti-gun? He held an event at a location that doesn't allow guns and you guys are all worked up over that? We've got bigger fish to fry.

[CowboyT]

So what exactly did he say that makes him anti-gun? He held an event at a location that doesn't allow guns and you guys are all worked up over that? We've got bigger fish to fry.

Like hell we do. Talk is cheap, so Cantor can say whatever the heck he wants. Instead, I look for what he DOES. And what he DOES is have his fundraiser at an anti-gun establishment, even after the VCDL has provided him with an equally good alternative and offered to pay the difference, if any. But noooo, Cantor wants to stick with the anti-gun place. That choice on his part tells me a whole lot about him. He's a slimeball like the rest of 'em.

[OgenRwot]

Like hell we do. Talk is cheap, so Cantor can say whatever the heck he wants. Instead, I look for what he DOES. And what he DOES is have his fundraiser at an anti-gun establishment, even after the VCDL has provided him with an equally good alternative and offered to pay the difference, if any. But noooo, Cantor wants to stick with the anti-gun place. That choice on his part tells me a whole lot about him. He's a slimeball like the rest of 'em.

I am talking about what he does. Look at his record, one of the most gun friendly members of Congress. I posted his record earlier. Yeah, talk is cheap, that's why I point to his record. Sorry he had a fundraiser at a place that didn't allow guns. Guarantee you he didn't set it up so what's the big deal? What he does is vote pro-gun every single time.

[gunderwood]

Like hell we do. Talk is cheap, so Cantor can say whatever the heck he wants. Instead, I look for what he DOES. And what he DOES is have his fundraiser at an anti-gun establishment, even after the VCDL has provided him with an equally good alternative and offered to pay the difference, if any. But noooo, Cantor wants to stick with the anti-gun place. That choice on his part tells me a whole lot about him. He's a slimeball like the rest of 'em.

I am talking about what he does. Look at his record, one of the most gun friendly members of Congress. I posted his record earlier. Yeah, talk is cheap, that's why I point to his record. Sorry he had a fundraiser at a place that didn't allow guns. Guarantee you he didn't set it up so what's the big deal? What he does is vote pro-gun every single time.

IMHO, voting pro-gun isn't enough. A real pro-gun candidate would create and sponsor pro-gun bills. If I were in Congress it would be pretty high up on the list. A lot of Republicans simply won't vote against pro-gun legislation so they can claim to be pro-gun, but also won't life a finger to further the cause.

[OgenRwot]

What kind of bill would you like to see put in right now? Politics is about playing your cards right, knowing when to fold. You've got a liberal Senate and a socialist in the Oval. What bill could possibly get passed? We're lucky that anti-legislation isn't making any headway.

You don't want to waste political capitol on something that's going nowhere in the first place. Like it or not, politics is a game and you gotta play it to get things done. The political climate is about as far from pro-gun as it can get.

[zephyp]

What kind of bill would you like to see put in right now? Politics is about playing your cards right, knowing when to fold. You've got a liberal Senate and a socialist in the Oval. What bill could possibly get passed? We're lucky that anti-legislation isn't making any headway.

You don't want to waste political capitol on something that's going nowhere in the first place. Like it or not, politics is a game and you gotta play it to get things done. The political climate is about as far from pro-gun as it can get.

I'd like to see a "bill" that would make it like it was before I joined the Army in 1977. As a minor I could stop by the only sporting goods shop in town and buy shotgun shells to go squirrel hunting...singles even. I can still remember the cardboard box and the big green shells. Remingtons I believe. Sometimes I sit and wonder just what in hell has happened since 1977 to get things so bolixed up with all these dumb stupid laws...

[Yarddawg]

What kind of bill would you like to see put in right now?

A national Castle Doctrine, disestablishment of the BATFE, TSA, and other nonsense gov't agencies, a return to the Constitution and the restrictions of governmental powers contained therein!

[zephyp]

What kind of bill would you like to see put in right now?

A national Castle Doctrine, disestablishment of the BATFE, TSA, and other nonsense gov't agencies, a return to the Constitution and the restrictions of governmental powers contained therein!

Yes, but we dont want the feds dabbling in state affairs -- castle doctrine...thats one for the VA legislature and VCDL to take up...

[gunderwood]

Has Cantor ever sponsored a progun bill?

[zephyp]

Has Cantor ever sponsored a progun bill?

I dont know if he has or not but IMHO any so called pro-gun candidate would be doing precisely that. Otherwise they might vote pro-gun but that doesnt necessarily mean they are pro-gun...merely following the pack and riding someone else's coat tails...

[OgenRwot]

Hey, I'm all for getting rid of a bunch of nonsense Federal agencies but it aint gonna happen. The things you want this guy to do to "prove" he's pro-gun are silly hoops you want him to jump through. Voting pro-gun is good enough for me and it should be for you too. This guy has serious political capitol, you can't waste it on bills that are going nowhere...not even out of sub-committee.

[Yarddawg]

This guy has serious political capitol, you can't waste it on bills that are going nowhere...not even out of sub-committee.

Ummm...Isn't that what he was sent to Washington to do, and what he is paid to do?

Apparently he doesn't carry the clout that you think he does.

[zephyp]

This guy has serious political capitol, you can't waste it on bills that are going nowhere...not even out of sub-committee.

Ummm...Isn't that what he was sent to Washington to do, and what he is paid to do?

Apparently he doesn't carry the clout that you think he does.

Political capital is used for 2 things: keep the j-o-b and get things you want done. The j-o-b must be preserved over all else. These elected officials are the only ones that can save the planet. Their job loss is everyone's loss.

Pure BS but IMO this is how most of these so called leaders view themselves. They simply will not jeopardize their chance for re-election by getting something done that does not appeal to large blocs of voters.

[gunderwood]

This guy has serious political capitol, you can't waste it on bills that are going nowhere...not even out of sub-committee.

Ummm...Isn't that what he was sent to Washington to do, and what he is paid to do?

Apparently he doesn't carry the clout that you think he does.

What he is trying to say is the issue isn't that important to Cantor. Or put a different way Cantor is not a pro-gun leader. He will vote pro-gun, but as I said before, he won't lift a finger to advance gun rights beyond a vote. It is hard to tell if that attitude is just to keep a job as Zephyp or what.

[zephyp]

If he were truly a pro gun leader then he would be pressing that issue. I dont see that happening for whatever reason, but his present position is better than voting against pro gun bills. I suppose a relatively poor comparison would be to say a 6 month old turd no longer stinks but its still a turd. Cantor could remove himself from that category entirely by sponsoring pro-gun legislation at every opportunity.

A quick visit to thomas reveals that he sponsored 7 bills last 2 years - none were pro gun or otherwise.

To view his record goto -- http://thomas.loc.gov/ and select cantor from the drop down menu. This shows bills he sponsored. To view bills he co-sponsored (meaning someone else sponsored and he merely agreed with and supported) enter cantor in the search box...196 of those...