Concealed Carry Help

[AdmiralG26]

Saturday, my wife and I were on Chesapeak Bay Tunnel Bridge heading north on 13. I got pulled, was speeding, besides the point. When to officer walked up I immediately gave him my drivers license and my CCP. After some time he came back and told me, "We have a problem. Your address on your driver's license(Newport News) doesn't match your permit(Hampton). If I wanted, I could arrest you for concealment of a weapon." My handgun was under my seat in a blackhawk holster, magizine in, no rounds chambered, but I was reading(The address on my Resident Concealed Handgun Permit is no longer correct. Is my permit still valid?
Yes, but you may request a replacement permit if you wish. The clerk of a circuit court that issued a valid concealed handgun permit shall, upon presentation of the valid permit and proof of a new address of residence by the permit holder, issue a replacement permit specifying the permit holder's new address.) on http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm. I know I should change my address, but according to above statement, it is not manditory.

Was his statment a true statement?

Maybe this guy was trying to scare me, but I definately worried my wife a bit when the officer said this, so I found that Q&A and puts me at ease a bit, but could somebody verify this to further put me at ease? If I didn't provide enough information, please ask me for more, as it is a little late and I may have left something out.

Thanks for all the help.

[allingeneral]

IANAL, but I don't see anything in the law which requires your CHP to match the address on your driver's license, which seems to be what this officer was getting at. There's only one reference to change of address in the Va Code:

K1. The clerk of a circuit court that issued a valid concealed handgun permit shall, upon presentation of the valid permit and proof of a new address of residence by the permit holder, issue a replacement permit specifying the permit holder's new address. The clerk of court shall forward the permit holder's new address of residence to the State Police. The State Police may charge a fee not to exceed $5, and the clerk of court issuing the replacement permit may charge a fee not to exceed $5. The total amount assessed for processing a replacement permit pursuant to this subsection shall not exceed $10, with such fees to be paid in one sum to the person who accepts the information for the replacement permit.

[AdmiralG26]

Thats what I thought, but I'm still goning to make sure everything matches. If this ever happens again I want to cause as little friction as possible. So everything is still valid and in order, excellent.

[ProShooter]

The officer was mistaken. Your permit is just as valid as the day it was issued, despite the address difference. You are not required to update the address on your CHP.

The more important question, is why were you carrying a gun without a round chambered?

[AdmiralG26]

The more important question, is why were you carrying a gun without a round chambered?

LOL, good question. I don't carry with a chambered round because Glocks don't have the typical thumb operated, slide safety, they are trigger safetys, as you probably know, and I don't want to ever unholster my gun, and my finger slip onto the trigger, for some unseen reason, and shoot myself or somone else for that matter.

I do see where you are coming from though.

[gunderwood]

The officer was mistaken or lied to screw with you. The law does not require you to change your address in VA, but it is a good idea.

An interesting side note is that some states do require you to have matching addresses and there are penalties if you don't. IIRC, PA is one such state. Since our permits are valid there, but we have to follow their CC rules, I would think a VA permit with a non-matching address is also illegal? INAL though.

[gunderwood]

The more important question, is why were you carrying a gun without a round chambered?

LOL, good question. I don't carry with a chambered round because Glocks don't have the typical thumb operated, slide safety, they are trigger safetys, as you probably know, and I don't want to ever unholster my gun, and my finger slip onto the trigger, for some unseen reason, and shoot myself or somone else for that matter.

I do see where you are coming from though.

I carry Glocks chambered and 1911's "cocked and locked" all the time. No manual safety can save you from stupidity. However, I would suggest that most SD situations do not allow you the time to draw and chamber a round. Time yourself and realize what an attacker can do to you in that time...and in the training case you were expecting it!

[AdmiralG26]

The officer was mistaken or lied to screw with you. The law does not require you to change your address in VA, but it is a good idea.

An interesting side note is that some states do require you to have matching addresses and there are penalties if you don't. IIRC, PA is one such state. Since our permits are valid there, but we have to follow their CC rules, I would think a VA permit with a non-matching address is also illegal? INAL though.

It's funny that you mention Pa, as that is currently where I am. I will not carry here then since my addresses do not match, just to be safe.

As far as chambering a round, I understand what you are saying. My wife says she desn't like me carrying, but "If you HAVE TO, please don't have one [bullet] in the firing part. I will feel just as safe." So another reason as to why I don't carry with a round chambered, but I will practice drawing and chambering a round.

[gunderwood]

The officer was mistaken or lied to screw with you. The law does not require you to change your address in VA, but it is a good idea.

An interesting side note is that some states do require you to have matching addresses and there are penalties if you don't. IIRC, PA is one such state. Since our permits are valid there, but we have to follow their CC rules, I would think a VA permit with a non-matching address is also illegal? INAL though.

It's funny that you mention Pa, as that is currently where I am. I will not carry here then since my addresses do not match, just to be safe.

As far as chambering a round, I understand what you are saying. My wife says she desn't like me carrying, but "If you HAVE TO, please don't have one [bullet] in the firing part. I will feel just as safe." So another reason as to why I don't carry with a round chambered, but I will practice drawing and chambering a round.

Personal opinion, but just like the TSA security theater, feeling safe is irrelevant. If you are going to carry or take any risk reduction activities they should actually be effective not simply to make anyone "feel" safer.

[smltooner]

Earlier this year, we moved from one side of Franklin Co to the other side.
I went to the clerks office to change the address on my CHP and was told by the clerk that as long as my DL was up to date I was OK.
I didn't have to change my CHP until it was up for renewal.

[ProShooter]

As far as chambering a round, I understand what you are saying. My wife says she desn't like me carrying, but "If you HAVE TO, please don't have one [bullet] in the firing part. I will feel just as safe." So another reason as to why I don't carry with a round chambered, but I will practice drawing and chambering a round.

Your wife should read the chapter in our student manual called "The loaded chamber and the 21 foot rule". She'll change her mind about that unloaded chamber thing.

[VBshooter]

Definitely think about what ProShooter and Gunderwood have said regarding carrying without a round chambered,,, In an SD situation it happens so fast you are seriously risking yours and possibly others lives thinking that you will get to rack the slide and then point and aim.Even with constant practice errors can occur and looking your possible death in the face is not when you want them to happen..... If necessary consider another carry gun ,one with a DA trigger so it can at least ease your mind about Glock Foot.. On my Glock 23 I went to a NY trigger to stiffen the trigger pull to be a bit more similar to a revolver in tension, I had thoughts about Glock Foot to and that little change eased my mind considerably and the gun functions fine,,,, just my.02 cents worth

[Chasbo00]

To me, the issue is; can I count on having both arms and hands free to draw and rack simultaneously? With both hands and arms free, I can draw and fire with a rack included just about as fast as I can without the rack.

[SgtBill]

I believe that you should follow the advice given here about reading the book on the subject and have your wife also read the chapter on the 21 foot rule and see if she wishes to risk both your life and her life because of her fear that is totaly unfounded. Get used to the Glock and keep one up the pipe. I along with 450 other people in my Dept. all carried a glock on and off duty and still do since 1988 and I still carry a Glock 22 .40 cal. all the time now that I am retired. The point being is that only ONE accidental Discharge since 1988 and that was by a complete Butthole in the Dept. and I had to do the investigation on the shooting and ended up suspending him for 5 day's after his recovery from a leg wound.
Bill

[SELFDEFENSE]

To me, the issue is; can I count on having both arms and hands free to draw and rack simultaneously? With both hands and arms free, I can draw and fire with a rack included just about as fast as I can without the rack.

No you can't count on it. You may need to fend off the attack with one hand; or a hand, wrist, arm, or shoulder may be injured in the festivities that can easily precede your shooting part, then you have to rack your slide on your belt buckle while your muzzle may be pointed at your junk.

[Chasbo00]

No you can't count on it. You may need to fend off the attack with one hand; or a hand, wrist, arm, or shoulder may be injured in the festivities that can easily precede your shooting part, then you have to rack your slide on your belt buckle while your muzzle may be pointed at your junk.

I agree that you can't count on having both arms and hands free. And for that reason and some others too, I favor a loaded chamber carry. There are some however who can do surprising things quickly without one in the pipe.

[gunderwood]

No you can't count on it. You may need to fend off the attack with one hand; or a hand, wrist, arm, or shoulder may be injured in the festivities that can easily precede your shooting part, then you have to rack your slide on your belt buckle while your muzzle may be pointed at your junk.

I agree that you can't count on having both arms and hands free. And for that reason and some others too, I favor a loaded chamber carry. There are some however who can do surprising things quickly without one in the pipe.

Impressive.

Even the guy in the video noted it was more of a gimmick than a technique. I wouldn't want to bet my life on being able to do that though. Very cool though.

[AdmiralG26]

Where can i find the fore mentioned student manual and the chapter "The loaded chamber and the 21 foot rule"?

[Chasbo00]

Where can i find the fore mentioned student manual and the chapter "The loaded chamber and the 21 foot rule"?

Here is a little history on the 21 foot rule:

http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Tuel ... .Close.htm

[ProShooter]

That's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. Enjoy that shoulder when its popped out of the socket.