Judge rules against America and Arizona

[VBshooter]

The judge in the Arizona vs. The Justice Department today ruled in favor of the Justice Department by barring the areas of the Arizona Law that had any teeth to get the job done. A miscarriage of justice ,,yes ,,The end of the story ,, No there will a lot of fighting about this in the future and hopefully the states will win out ,, Too many judges as of late are ruling in favor against the Constitution and the peoples will in favor of the Liberal Dog Pile that the Obama administration keeps promoting.

Judge blocks parts of Arizona immigration law
Jul 28 01:44 PM US/Eastern
By JACQUES BILLEAUD and AMANDA LEE MYERS
Associated Press Writers
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PHOENIX (AP) - A federal judge on Wednesday blocked the most controversial parts of Arizona's immigration law from taking effect, delivering a last-minute victory to opponents of the crackdown.
The overall law will still take effect Thursday, but without the provisions that angered opponents—including sections that required officers to check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws.

The judge also put on hold parts of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times, and made it illegal for undocumented workers to solicit employment in public places. In addition, the judge blocked officers from making warrantless arrests of suspected illegal immigrants.

"Requiring Arizona law enforcement officials and agencies to determine the immigration status of every person who is arrested burdens lawfully-present aliens because their liberty will be restricted while their status is checked," U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton ruled.

She ruled that the controversial sections should be put on hold until the courts resolve the issues. Other provisions of the law, many of them procedural and slight revisions to existing Arizona immigration statute, will go into effect at 12:01 a.m.

The ruling came just as police were making last-minute preparations to begin enforcement of the law and protesters were planning large demonstrations to speak out against the measure. At least one group planned to block access to federal offices, daring officers to ask them about their immigration status.

The volume of the protests will likely be turned down a few notches because of the ruling by Bolton, a Clinton appointee who suddenly became a crucial figure in the immigration debate when she was assigned the seven lawsuits filed against the Arizona law.

Lawyers for the state contend the law was a constitutionally sound attempt by Arizona—the busiest illegal gateway into the country—to assist federal immigration agents and lessen border woes such as the heavy costs for educating, jailing and providing health care for illegal immigrants.

Opponents argued the law will lead to racial profiling, conflict with federal immigration law and distract local police from fighting more serious crimes. The U.S. Justice Department, civil rights groups and a Phoenix police officer had asked the judge for an injunction to prevent the law from being enforced.

"There is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens under the new (law)," Bolton ruled. "By enforcing this statute, Arizona would impose a 'distinct, unusual and extraordinary' burden on legal resident aliens that only the federal government has the authority to impose."

The law was signed by Republican Gov. Jan Brewer in April and immediately revived the national debate on immigration, making it a hot-button issue in the midterm elections.

The law has inspired rallies in Arizona and elsewhere by advocates on both sides of the immigration debate. Some opponents have advocated a tourism boycott of Arizona.

It also led an unknown number of illegal immigrants to leave Arizona for other American states or their home countries.

Federal authorities who are trying to overturn the law have argued that letting the Arizona law stand would create a patchwork of immigration laws nationwide that would needlessly complicate the foreign relations of the United States. Federal lawyers said the law is disrupting U.S. relations with Mexico and other countries and would burden the agency that responds to immigration-status inquiries.

Brewer's lawyers said Arizona shouldn't have to suffer from America's broken immigration system when it has 15,000 police officers who can arrest illegal immigrants.

[TheGodfather]

So much for State's rights...

[totes6]

So much for State's rights...

That was lost back in 1865.

[CowboyT]

So much for State's rights...

That was lost back in 1865.

And thank goodness it was! May that kind of "states' rights" never, EVER stain our country again!!

That said, I don't see a problem with the Arizona law, and it's a shame that the teeth in the law were struck down. The Feds aren't doing their jobs, and the Obama Administration has taken an un-American act by opposing the defense of our national border.

[rromeo]

While it does suck, the law has not been struck down. The judge put the big parts of the law on hold until the lawsuits are finished. It's not over yet.

[gunderwood]

So much for State's rights...

That was lost back in 1865.

And thank goodness it was! May that kind of "states' rights" never, EVER stain our country again!!

Um, the Civil War wasn't about slavery and slavery had nothing to do with states rights. That is what we tell little school children in government funded schools because we don't want to look at the truth. It is kind of like how Germany bans teaching a lot of WWII/Nazi/Holocaust stuff. The truth is to painful to admit, so the nation wilfully accepts a myth. There were many issues that led up to the civil war and free blacks fought on both sides. Here are Lincoln's own words:

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.
I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_on_slavery

That is right off of wikipedia and there are many more. Think of it like how Bush kept changing the reason for war in Iraq when it became unpopular. The Civil War was tragic and was fought at a great cost to both sides...some people started wondering if it was worth it and a war time President had to start dancing. Sound familiar?

Just in case you are wondering, I'm a Yankee by birth.

[gunderwood]

While it does suck, the law has not been struck down. The judge put the big parts of the law on hold until the lawsuits are finished. It's not over yet.

Yes. I'm guessing that the federal judge is hoping to not have to rule on it or needs some wiggle room. To strike it down would require a great travesty to law (what's left of it) and anger a lot of people. To rule against the government angers other people and certainly ends a judicial career.

[gunderwood]

Just came across this gem as I read more of the article (I already knew Lincoln's slavery position, I just needed a few quotes)

My first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia,—to their own native land. But a moment’s reflection would convince me that whatever of high hope (as I think there is) there may be in this, in the long run, its sudden execution is impossible.

Yes, you read it right! Slaves should be free, but not American's...at least according to Lincoln.

[gunderwood]

The general myth doesn't explain a man like Stonewall Jackson.

Jackson, disagreed with VA separating from the Union and hated slavery. However, when the North started a war over VA leaving the Union, he immediately joined VAs defenses. Furthermore, Jackson, being a man of God, sent a good portion of his army pay so that the black sunday school he taught before the war, could stay open during the war!

[GS78]

So much for State's rights...

That was lost back in 1865.

the Obama Administration has taken an un-American act by opposing the defense of our national border.

.... true, but no more un-american than everything else he has done.

[VBshooter]

We all sadly know by now that Obama, his cronies and his agenda has nothing in common with the Constitution and laws of the land. Look at the burnt out hippies he surrounds himself with,, the nut job minister of his "church" years ago, his appointments to critical offices sucks at best and his constant lying about things that he will always without fail blame on the Busch administration or something else.. A real American travesty from start to finish.

[9MMDerringer]

I think the best arguement in support of the need for this Arizona law came from a news reporter immediately after the judges decision. He reported on the news that he had just spoken to someone in the crowd of demonstrators in Arizona, who identified himself as 'an illegal alien', and told the reporter that he felt relief and could breath easy again. --- uh excuse me, identified himself as 'an illegal alien'! That is the reason we needed this damn law in the first place. Because the Federal government is so unprepared and unwilling to enforce immigration laws now, that people get right on the National News and identify themselves as illegal aliens in this country without any consequences at all!! No fear at all!
What other foreign country could someone get one television and tell everyone, "I am here illegally" and not get arrested and deported immediately?

[VBshooter]

Yes sir,,. THis is going to be one major piss contest from here out;;Once again the people have been ignored and the Guvment upheld.. the part where the judge said they don;t have to have papers is a contradiction to federal law that says they do... One thing that the illegals who are breathing "easy" fail to realize is that there is still some punch left in the law and federal law still rules and can be enforced, Sherrif Joe is not discouraged I;m sure... One of the protesters I saw and heard interviewed was some whiney little man stating matter of factly that he is an "Mexican American" and I have rights,. Yeah Butthead, ya little puke, we all have rights but most of us are mature enough not to put things in front of AMERICA to excercise them. That is one thing about PC we need to end, it only makesgroups think that they are special and more deserving than others ,, No need to list them ,we all have seen,heard,listened to and been so bored freaking stiff by now that they much like the Boy that cried Wolf are best ignored and be encouraged to fade into obscurity once and for all.

[KaosDad]

Isn't it amazing how we have come to coddle law breakers? And yet - the FBI is seeking ways to make it easier to get into your private e-mail just because they THINK you MAY have committed a crime. As far as Arizona goes, I have little faith the AZ laws will stand. Between the unlimited funds of the Fed, the ACLU & the NAACP (you KNOW they'll get involved) they will simply bleed AZ dry and the case will have to be dropped.

[VBshooter]

Another thing that sucks is it is being appealed to the 9th Circuit Court ,the most liberal one in America,, It;ll end up at the SCOTUS in time...Jan Brewer seems quite committed and rightly so ..The feds should have to live there for a spell actually see the problem. One thing the ruling has brought to light is the Feds now have to s*&& or get off the pot. Suposedly the D of J has some action in the works but I bet its more like Lemonade stands at the border that will just make breaking the law even easier.. Hell noones murdering people in Holders back Yard.....

[chfaunce]

...stating matter of factly that he is an "Mexican American" and I have rights,.

I've always had an issue with these statements. IMO, you're either American or you're not. Swear allegiance to one flag - if you're an American, it'd better be the one with the stars and stripes.

[gunderwood]

Isn't it amazing how we have come to coddle law breakers? And yet - the FBI is seeking ways to make it easier to get into your private e-mail just because they THINK you MAY have committed a crime. As far as Arizona goes, I have little faith the AZ laws will stand. Between the unlimited funds of the Fed, the ACLU & the NAACP (you KNOW they'll get involved) they will simply bleed AZ dry and the case will have to be dropped.

You have to understand the difference between crimes against the state and crimes against the people. Generally, if you commit a crime against the state or even a crime against the people where the state's image is tarnished, you will get the book thrown at you. I forgot who did the study, but they found that the longest average jail sentence was drugs and the second was guns. You are more likely to spend time in jail and more of it for simply owning something the state says you shouldn't...even when compared to actually murdering someone.

[TheGodfather]

Va. Politician Wants Tougher Illegal Immigration Laws

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/polit ... 93359.html

Corey Stewart, chairman of the Prince William County Board of Supervisors, is proposing model legislation for Virginia legislators to consider based on the new Arizona immigration law.

"It will require officers to check immigration status of any person who is detained for any reason whatsoever if there is reasonable suspicion that the person is an illegal immigrant, but it's important to note that the person must be lawfully stopped."

It looks like VA is might stick it to Obama and his thugs. Woo Hoo!

[VBshooter]

If a smart law man can word it right I could see it really catching on ,,,Keeping Obamas Court Jester off guard is a good thing seeing his view of the Constitution and the peoples will is as skewed left or worse than his boss;s,...

[9MMDerringer]

Another observation I made from watching the news coverage of the AZ protests was that several hispanic protesters in the crowd were carrying American flags. That was interesting to me, and caught my eye, because most of the hispanics and latinos that I have personally seen driving cars or out in public are displaying Mexican flags in their vehicles, or wearing El Salvadorean flags on T-Shirts, et cetera. As I mentioned before, I was a cop for several years, so I had the opportunity to enter the houses and apartments of several hispanic people over the years, and I saw large Mexican and El Salvadorean flags hanging on the interior walls. I never saw them waving or displaying an American flag until a camera is turned on and they are protesting, such as this AZ case or other times when they marched for rights. I would bet that someone handed out those flags the morning of the march/protest. If these people were sincere and loyal to that flag it would be displayed in their cars, houses and everywhere else they currently display and show all the Mexican, El Salvadorean and other foreign flags they currently have displayed!!!!!