zephyp wrote:gatlingun6 wrote:WildBill44 wrote:Whether you agree with this man's viewpoint or not, he DOES have the right to espouse his thoughts and views. If he was a Muslim and had an anti-Christian rant on his truck, would he be forced to remove it? If he was Jewish and did the same, would he be treated the same? I think we all know the answers to that. This demonstrates how deeply we are indoctrinated to be "politically correct" when we are willing to fall in line and demonize someone who does not fit in the popular concept of what is acceptable. The fact that we allow a foreigner to occupy our highest office and get so upset about a citizen expressing his Constitutionally protected right of free speech is a condemnation of us as a society.
So WildBill is a birther. We let him occupy the White House? Pray tell who is "we"? Does your "we" hold a deed to the White House? The last time I looked you are only one person and unless you know something I don't you have exactly one vote which I assumed you didn't use to vote for your President and mine, President Barack Obama who is every bit the American citizen that you are. 59 million Americans elected him to his current office, so just get over it. Unless of course you wish to renounce your citizenship and go elsewhere. I can assure you that President Obama isn't going anywhere, so it's up to you.
Since you are obviously not stupid, or an idiot or ignorant I have to ask why do you keep trying to peddle absolute
GARBAGE! concerning the President? What is it that has you so upset about President Obama being in the White House, and please don't try and hide behind that ridiculous crap that he is a foreigner! All you do with that allegation is paint yourself out on the very fringe of American society.
Jim
As Thomas Jefferson once said: There are some ideas that deserve nothing but ridicule! While he was writing about some religious figures that same line more than fit the "he is not an American" idea.
Dear Jim,
We the people do indeed hold the deed to the White House as well as every other national office in this great nation...if obama indeed thinks he has the right to be president he should provide the information we the people want to see. That is a long form certified birth certificate...not some little piece of paper that no one -- except him -- could use to get a passport or a drivers license.
Btw, please refrain from flaming and/or berating other members.
Sincerely,
DK
Dear DK:
I so tire of being berated by people in this forum while reminding me not to berate other members. Maybe I missed it Mr DK, but I don't remember any such reminder to others who berate me. Btw I'm not complaining because I have no problem with the insults directed towards me, in fact I ignore them.
Your post sir insults 59 million Americans who voted for candidate Obama. If as you say we the people hold the deed to the White House, who are we who put him there? Are we "them the none people"? Is this what you intended? As the United States has done since its inception, on Nov 4th, 2008 we conducted a legal election in which 4 natural born Americans were candidates for both the President and Vice President. This despite the fact that 2 of the candidates, Senators Obama and McCain, were wrongly alleged to not be natural born citizens. That election is over, and the vast majority of Americans have accepted the results.
I see no need to treat ridiculous assertions as anything other than what they are. If you can't separate ridicule of a dumb allegation from something about the person who made it that's your problem. Intelligent people say stupid, ignorant things every day, but no one is obligated to treat such nonsense with any degree of seriousness. If you want to believe in such nonsense that's your right but I have an equal right to call you out on it, so where's the problem?
Now, you are not WE THE PEOPLE, you are YOU THE PERSON. Surely you don't think you speak for anyone other than yourself, do you? I'm also surprised that either you don't know how our Presidents are elected, or you chose to intentionally misrepresent the how because it does not fit your trite "we the people phrase". We the people implies that Presidents are elected by popular vote, when they are not. I'm always amused at how little you so-called Constitutional scholars actually know about same. Alternatively, since I assume you can read as well as anyone, its odd how you ignore the Constitution when it does not fit your argument. I'm sure you know that Presidents are elected by the indirect method of the Electoral College. If we elected Presidents by popular vote, President Bush would never have been President, Al Gore would have won.
In President Obama's case, in the only poll that counts, he won both the popular and more importantly the Electoral College vote, that means he occupies the White House because the Electors in the Electoral College gave him a majority of the votes. Further, the Congress of the United States certified that election result with nary a dissenting voice. So President Obama doesn't have to think anything, he is the legal, legitimate President of the United States.
The State of Hawaii and the United Government is satisfied that under the laws of the United States of America President Barack Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States. You and that small fringe of Americans can yell, scream and jump up and down and hold any opinion you want, it does not change that fact. The President owes you nothing in that regard. We could put "birthers" in a time machine and transport them to the live birth of President Obama from his American mother's womb and you still wouldn't believe your own eyes.
The real question is why do you persist in a farcical belief in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Why would you list something as a requirement for a Pass Port that is a flat out lie and easily disproved. Below is the proof of citizenship requirement for a U.S. Passport:
Original or Certified state issued Birth Certificate with a raised seal.
- To obtain a certified copy of your birth certificate contact the office of vital records where you were born.
- If you live in California or Texas you must provide the "long form birth certificate".
You are FACTUALLY incorrect when you wrote that a long form is required because it isn't unless you were born in CA or TX. Are you now going to argue that the US government is wrong about their requirements. Every member of my family have passports, and not one required any so-called long form birth certificate as documentation.
Mr DK I do not know you personally so I won't guess or assume why you are embarked on a vain attempt to de-ligitimize the President of the United States. However, I do know the motives of many of those who espouse the same views as you. Here's the ultimate irony, unlike what others do in this forum, because you chose to walk with the most far right wing radicals in America I won't engage in guilt by association. Only you know why you elect to align with such extremists.
My only fear is that this rubbish which gets magnified a thousand times over with the advent of the internet, might prompt some of the real crazies to act. I mean if the President is not legitimate one of these crazies just may see such an act as encouraged and perfectly justified.
Jim
