events at Dodd Auditorium, UMW

NewColonial · Post by **NewColonial** » Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:43:07

Anyone know if the have metal detectors or use wands at UMW? Going to the Ben Stein lecture tomorrow and curious if I'll be forced to go 'without'.

(I believe UMW falls under the pre-emption law, but, that doesn't mean they can't try to make it a gun-free zone.)

Eagle4second · Post by **Eagle4second** » Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:38:42

I have been to Dodd for a few lectures before and the answer is no, there are no metal detectors. I will be on campus for class later and I will walk through George Washington Hall and check just to be sure. Don't want to give you incorrect information but Im almost positive.
Can you explain exactly what the pre-emption law is? I thought it was illegal to carry on college campuses in Virginia?

NewColonial · Post by **NewColonial** » Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:08:42

VA laws forbids carry at K-12 schools, and VA Tech. As a public institution, UMW cannot override State law. See the AG opinion linked to in this thread:
http://vagunforum.net/post13477.html#p13477

I had an email exchange with Philip Van Cleave at VCDL and he was of the same opinion.

Of course, being the liberal cesspool* that it is, there's always the possibility that UMW would try to block legal carry despite the law.

HOWEVER, I AM NOT A LAWER.

Disclaimer: I am a MWC graduate of nearly 3 decades. They stopped getting my contributions years ago.

GS78 · Post by **GS78** » Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:47:34

Just a question, are you looking for confrontation?

NewColonial · Post by **NewColonial** » Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:51:33

GS78 wrote:Just a question, are you looking for confrontation?

Not sure what you mean. If they start wanding folks, knowing in advance would serve to AVOID confrontation. Just because a location doesn't have the legal leg to ban weapons, doesn't mean they won't try it. Happens all the time.

Eagle4second · Post by **Eagle4second** » Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:11:48

Confirmed; no metal detectors what so ever. You're good to go. Also, I have never seen any signs designating the campus as a "gun free zone" and the only info i could find on the website was in regard to students.
As a current Mary Washington student I know exactly what you mean; this school is way left of center. It's one of those places that is so liberal it doesn't even know how liberal it is. Good thing I showed up knowing how to think for myself.

NewColonial · Post by **NewColonial** » Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:53:32

Eagle, glad to hear it.

If you continue to think for yourself, you'll be able to stand up for what's right. Keep up the good fight! Good luck with your studies.

NewColonial · Post by **NewColonial** » Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:32:19

Just a followup. Attended the Ben Stein appearance with no incident. There was no checking of bags or anything at the door. Heck, they didn't even look to see if we had tickets when we walked in.

ProShooter · Post by **ProShooter** » Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:22:25

NewColonial wrote:VA laws forbids carry at ..... VA Tech.

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?????????

NewColonial · Post by **NewColonial** » Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:31:18

I may very well be wrong, but it is my understanding that there are laws on the books specifically forbidding carry at Tech.

Recently I was told there's a similar (unchallenged) statute for George Mason.

Urban legends?

GS78 · Post by **GS78** » Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:08:54

NewColonial wrote:
GS78 wrote:Just a question, are you looking for confrontation?
Not sure what you mean. If they start wanding folks, knowing in advance would serve to AVOID confrontation. Just because a location doesn't have the legal leg to ban weapons, doesn't mean they won't try it. Happens all the time.

I just meant that , you're going to see ben stein. Not 50cent.

NewColonial · Post by **NewColonial** » Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:56:37

Ha!

Actually Mr. Stein wasn't as confrontational as I hoped he would be.

Moccasin · Post by **Moccasin** » Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:49:15

NewColonial wrote:I may very well be wrong, but it is my understanding that there are laws on the books specifically forbidding carry at Tech.

Recently I was told there's a similar (unchallenged) statute for George Mason.

Urban legends?

You've gotten a typical response questioning what you've stated but providing no information whatsoever, a complete waste of electrons and your time. Either VCU or UofR is the only college campus specifically mentioned in VA law as having firearms banned. Seeing as I have a slow dial up connection I am not going to search VA Code to find the specifics, especially when a previous poster knows the law but prefers not to post it.

CCFan · Post by **CCFan** » Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:53:19

VCU: Specifically, #4 here:

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504 ... AC90-10-50

George Mason:
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504 ... AC35-60-20

Nothing about University of Richmond I could find, if someone else has it, feel free to share...

Post by **zephyp** » Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:08:24

CCFan wrote:VCU: Specifically, #4 here:

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504 ... AC90-10-50

George Mason:
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504 ... AC35-60-20

Nothing about University of Richmond I could find, if someone else has it, feel free to share...

As far as I can see from the links these are not part of VA Code. They are rules and regulations made up by the university board. Having said that I am sure the univerities can and most likely do enforce them with cooperation from the court system.

CCFan · Post by **CCFan** » Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:53:13

They are indeed made up by the university board - however, if you'll notice, each one lists a "Statutory Authority" - VCU, Va Code § 23-50.10 and GMU, Va Code § 23-91.29 - which basically grants carte blanche power to the University by including such language as "and shall make all needful rules and regulations concerning the University" - it doesn't mean it's right, but it is law.... and until someone challenges them and those are overturned, I'd rather keep myself away from their campus and go to where freedoms are encouraged. It's interesting that other state universities don't have similar regulations. It's also worth noting that most state universities have their own police departments to operate within the confines of the universities - why not assign state police to state schools? (sorry, coffee is kicking in and now I'm thinking out loud!) Anyways - there's a case making it's way through the courts now in Virginia about the George Mason laws - it's being appealed to the Virginia Supreme Court now. It's extremely interesting reading the transcript of the trial dated July 22, 2009 - you can follow the case here:
http://www.virginia1774.org/GMULawsuit.html If you go down to #17 you can read the transcript of the trial... It's definitely worth keeping an eye on as it may have a bearing on what other state universities do as well....

Post by **zephyp** » Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:57:16

Thanks for the clarification, Jason. Very interesting reading. I think the plaintiff made a very good case, much better than the defense. Too bad the judge sided with the other guys.

CCFan · Post by **CCFan** » Thu, 08 Apr 2010 23:20:22

Had to search for this - if you go back to the link about the GMU lawsuit - it's headed to the Virginia Supreme Court which granted an appeal. Will be interesting to see the results, he makes a good case...

wally626 · Post by **wally626** » Fri, 09 Apr 2010 22:32:36

In the VCU link it says

It is therefore the policy of the university that no act of any member of the university community shall serve to restrain or inhibit access to opportunities or the exercise of these freedoms. To that end, no person, either singly or in concert with others, shall willfully:...4. Have in his possession any firearm, other weapon, or explosive, regardless of whether a license to possess the same has been issued, without the written authorization of the president of the university. ...

while the George Mason likn says

Possession or carrying of any weapon by any person

The VCU appears to apply only to University members, student, staff etc. while the GMU policy applies to everyone. I do not know in practice whether or not VCU applies there'is to everyone in practice or not.

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