My first casting experience

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My first casting experience

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I typed this thinking it would be short, well it's not, so grab a beverage and give it a read then leave me some feedback or advice on what im doing wrong

I figure I will share my beginner casting experience to help any other newb's out there.

What I used:
1/2 bucket of wheel weights (fixed a gun for shop owner, got them free)
1 turkey fryer (free, uncle)
1 dutch oven - 6qt ($10 flea market)
1 stainless steel ladle ($6 walmart)
1 stainless steel slotted spoon ($6 walmart)
1 heavy duty 12 hole muffin pan ($8 walmart)
2 old rags soaked in water and WRUNG out (free)
1 jar of Franklin Arsenal fluxing powder($10, optional)
1 stool to sit on (free)
1 pair thick welding gloves (had these)

In case you aren’t sure how it works… here’s a VERY quick how-to… get weights, sort pb from fe/zn, put in pot, heat, skim clips, add more weights, skim clips again, repeat until satisfied, flux, scrape bottom/sides and skim crud off top, flux, skim again, repeat until clean, pour ingots, put mold on damp cloth, knock hardened ingots out of mold, repeat until empty

1. Clean your lead a few day before (w/ pressure washer) if you don't want a smelly cloud of smoke wafting into your neighbors open windows... I didn't clean them and you could see the stench cloud floating towards the neighbors.. I don't particularly care for them so I actually enjoyed this part

2. Sort your lead before you start, pull out any steel or zinc weights (not necessary, if you are careful you can just skim them out when the lead melts).. I didn't pre-sort, so I started heating the pot and went thru each weight one by one… that took to long. Next time I will put in enough weights to cover the bottom, wait for it to melt then skim, and repeat with just enough to form a layer 1 wheel weight thick… this way you can catch any zinc weights before they melt into the soup

3. Be sure your stool is comfortable… mine wasn't and I realize there is a lot of ass-down time

4. Flux flux flux and flux some more… if you don’t you may as well just go flux yourself. I only fluxed once on the first few “muffins” I made and I was very disappointed with all the crud that was still in them. After that I fluxed repeatedly until all the black crud was gone, then I did it again. The next round of muffins turned out much better, almost bullet quality

5. Make sure your rags are damp but not dripping wet. I set the muffin pans on top and poured the lead into the pan, however I overfilled one of the muffins and liquid lead hit the overly wet towel and the lead hissed and popped... no injuries and no problems, but I know better next time.

6. Welding gloves are heat resistant, not heat proof. Don’t handle your muffins as soon as they come out of the pan, gloves or not. Didn’t you hear if you handle your muffins to much you’ll go blind… well that may not be true but you will harm your hands and possibly your muffins.

Keep your molds and your melting pot as close as possible, as you will most likely spill or drip your lead. Keep something underneath your setup if you care about your driveway, sidewalk, or patio.. mine is gravel so it wasn’t an issue, but I did make a bit of a mess

I think that’s all the advice I can give after my first casting session. Overall, I think it turned out great. I turned about 80lbs of lead into 50-60lbs of ingots in 4 hours, this included trial and error and a lot of learning, next time I think it could be done a lot quicker

I got a bit impatient and decided to cast a few bullets in my new lee molds just to see how they worked, knowing very well that I probably needed to add tin to the lead to help fill it out, and only heating the mold on the dutch oven briefly.. I didn’t expect much, but I was surprised how well a few of them turned out. I can’t wait to get the casting pot out, mix in some tin and really see some good bullets take shape. These won’t be used obviously, but I may keep one of them for nostalgia. “my first bullet” or something dumb like that.

Here are a few pics from my misadventures

The crime scene
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The goods
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The bads
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I do have a question for the veterans… on the “good” bullets that I cast today, there are what look like a lot of pores on the surface, once I start mixing tin, will those pores disappear? If not, what causes them and will they cause any issues?

I did not start out today with the intention to cast any bullets, it just kinda happened, so I wasn’t expecting quality results but honestly I’m surprised they turned out as good as they did. I can’t wait for next weekend when I start casting.
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If you haven't yet check out http://castboolits.gunloads.com/ for a site dedicated to casting boolits :) I haven't cast in many years and then mostly for a .54cal muzzle loader (pre-internet days when it was difficult to find suppliers).

These days most of my cast boolits are from missouribullet.com - I'd rather give my business to them and use my propane for homebrewed ale!

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A little tin (not much) will help fill out your molds a little better. Also make sure the molds are clean. Btw, you dont have to wash the lead unless you really want too. Any crap will rise to the top as you flux the molten lead. Use a ladle to scoop it off the top...
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Yeah I was just impatient today, I wasn't planning on actually casting any bullets, only ingots, but the urge hit and I poured a few bullets. The mold definately needs a good cleaning, and according to cast boolits the pores in the few I did cast will disappear.

As for washing the lead, it would have helped keep some of the smoke and smell out of the air I think. But again, im not fond of my neighbor so I can't say I will clean them the next time either.
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nickf829 wrote:Yeah I was just impatient today, I wasn't planning on actually casting any bullets, only ingots, but the urge hit and I poured a few bullets. The mold definately needs a good cleaning, and according to cast boolits the pores in the few I did cast will disappear.

As for washing the lead, it would have helped keep some of the smoke and smell out of the air I think. But again, im not fond of my neighbor so I can't say I will clean them the next time either.
A big fan next to your pot will help that...:)
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Hey Nick - Sounds like you had a great weekend! Good post, enjoyed it. Couple of points, and some questions - (which you can feel free to take with a grain of salt, cause I'm a noob caster too)
Things to add to your kit would be a casting thermometer and a pair of safety glasses.

Questions are -
Do you plan on casting from an open pot? If so consider a bottom pour ladle.
What do you plan on shooting them in? They look like the .452 TL2R.
Did the mold come up to casting temp? My Lee six gang takes from 6-10 pours to come up,(which all goes back in the pot) then will run about 10 pours before it starts getting too hot. That's when I go to the wet towel to get things to gel a little quicker.
Do you have the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook? Lotsa cool reading in there about how the different alloys behave.
There's more - but this will do for starters -
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Monday night I dragged my portable forge over to my shootin buddy's place to help him clean wheelweights. We had tried the week before with his propane setup, and with the cool breeze blowing we didn't get but 15lb poured in 1 hour's work. Monday was a different story - no wind, and nice and mild. His setup came up to temp quicker than the forge, my coal was wet and it took me three tries to get it lit. But one hour later, we had 67lbs of ingots cooling. :first:

The forge is definitely faster, but you pay for speed with sweat...
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Yep, that looks like a Lee 6-cavity mould. Have a look at this video series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0C31ezD_SU

I'm using the 200gr LRNFP mould, same caliber (.452"). Might help you get better boolits.
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