Birds of a Feather..

[GS78]

"Lenin outlined a program for an active participation by both children and adolescents in the building of socialism.... Socially useful work should serve as a school of collectivism."......Nadezhda Krupskaya, Lenin's widow and fellow-revolutionary

"...expand and strengthen service-learning programs through year-round opportunities ... in order to renew the ethic of civic responsibility and the spirit of community for children and youth throughout the United States."[2] Serve America Act (GIVE, H.R.1388), signed into law on April 21. Barrack Obama


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... 8d308.html
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I think it will be a good exercise to examine and compare our national leaders to other "World" leaders and the political leanings the share, good or bad, democrat, republican or independant...let the chips fall where they may, but lets try to use actual quotes and links when quoting so we don't get into prison planet stuff, or the daily Kos........ anyone think this may be beneficial?

[zephyp]

I think thats a worthwhile exercise. Let me think for a couple of micro milli seconds. Ok, here's a comparison for ya...

[gunderwood]

Parents should be involving their kids in the community through their church or other local organizations. When any central government wants to step in and educate them, it is propaganda.

I think it will be a good exercise to examine and compare our national leaders to other "World" leaders and the political leanings the share, good or bad, democrat, republican or independant...let the chips fall where they may, but lets try to use actual quotes and links when quoting so we don't get into prison planet stuff, or the daily Kos........ anyone think this may be beneficial?

I think it would be insightful. The only problem is that politicians say one thing and do another, so perhaps we should include their actions? That is what worries me with the Republican's right now, don't want another 94'.

[GS78]

Parents should be involving their kids in the community through their church or other local organizations. When any central government wants to step in and educate them, it is propaganda.

I think it will be a good exercise to examine and compare our national leaders to other "World" leaders and the political leanings the share, good or bad, democrat, republican or independant...let the chips fall where they may, but lets try to use actual quotes and links when quoting so we don't get into prison planet stuff, or the daily Kos........ anyone think this may be beneficial?

I think it would be insightful. The only problem is that politicians say one thing and do another, so perhaps we should include their actions? That is what worries me with the Republican's right now, don't want another 94'.

well one of the main priorities for the progressive movement is to replace the family with government.

[allingeneral]

Parents should be involving their kids in the community through their church or other local organizations. When any central government wants to step in and educate them, it is propaganda.

I think it will be a good exercise to examine and compare our national leaders to other "World" leaders and the political leanings the share, good or bad, democrat, republican or independant...let the chips fall where they may, but lets try to use actual quotes and links when quoting so we don't get into prison planet stuff, or the daily Kos........ anyone think this may be beneficial?

I think it would be insightful. The only problem is that politicians say one thing and do another, so perhaps we should include their actions? That is what worries me with the Republican's right now, don't want another 94'.

well one of the main priorities for the progressive movement is to replace the family with government.

I've never heard it put quite like that, but it's very true. Unfortunately, there are a lot of lazy parents out there who are more than happy to allow this to become a reality. It goes hand-in-hand with government hand-outs such as welfare. Too lazy to get a job. Too lazy to raise their kids. Let's let the government do it all for us!

[GS78]

I've never heard it put quite like that, but it's very true. Unfortunately, there are a lot of lazy parents out there who are more than happy to allow this to become a reality. It goes hand-in-hand with government hand-outs such as welfare. Too lazy to get a job. Too lazy to raise their kids. Let's let the government do it all for us!

Alinsky's tactics were based, not on Stalin's revolutionary violence, but on the Neo-Marxist strategies of Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Communist. Relying on gradualism, infiltration and the dialectic process rather than a bloody revolution, Gramsci's transformational Marxism was so subtle that few even noticed the deliberate changes.

Like Alinsky, Mikhail Gorbachev followed Gramsci, not Lenin. In fact, Gramsci aroused Stalins's wrath by suggesting that Lenin's revolutionary plan wouldn't work in the West. Instead the primary assault would be on Biblical absolutes and Christian values, which must be crushed as a social force before the new face of Communism could rise and flourish. Malachi Martin gave us a progress report:

"By 1985, the influence of traditional Christian philosophy in the West was weak and negligible.... Gramsci's master strategy was now feasible. Humanly speaking, it was no longer too tall an order to strip large majorities of men and women in the West of those last vestiges that remained to them of Christianity's transcendent God."
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1. Immersion into a group [collective] environment with diverse beliefs and values. For decades, our government has been guiding migration and assessing cities on their success in building "unity in diversity," i.e. social capital."[5] Such facilitated oneness may sound benign, but the manipulative methods used to build socialist values undermine both personal freedom and family-taught convictions.
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If you find the time, read this Page about the similarities of Lenin's attitudes and writings about "service learning" and Obama's .....its very telling about our president.
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/009/2 ... ashing.htm

[gatlingun6]

Mr Z
Some photos are missing from your gallery. Will you repost and add the following who all qualify by your definitions:
1.President Ronald Reagan: He raised taxes to support the 2 largest socialist programs in America, the Social Security and Medicare programs.
2.Newt Gingrich: He engineered passage of the Prescripion Drug act, Part D of Medicare, a $700 billion dollar redistribution of wealth to all those non-working Seniors enrolled into that massive socialist program.
3. Every member of Congress who vote yes on Farm Support, TANF, No Child Left behind, etc.: These and others are all wealth redstribution programs. In case of schools the payments support our socialist public school systems.
4. President Clinton: He signed TANF into law
5. President Bush 41: For increasing the Income Tax Credit that redistributes funds to the poor.
6. President Bush 43: For starting National Socialism through a combination of military and corporate power. For shredding the Constitution by signing the Patriot Act. For creating the 'Unitary Executive Concept" that gives the President unlimited authority in war time. For signing his signature program into law, The No Child Left Behind Act that transferred more authority over our socialist school system to the National Government.
7. Presidents Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson: For violating State's rights by Nationalizing State militias, and ignoring the primacy of State laws.
Unless a politician has called for the repeal of Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, the Public Health Service, TANF, Food Stamps, Utility aid, the Departments of Education and a host of other programs, they are all socialists by your standards. WHY single out President Obama when we are partially a Democratic Socialist country now and into the foreseeable future. Btw perhaps you all should not use the word Christian since nothing in any of your posts even remotely conveys any principal Christian tenet.

Respectfully
Jim

[zephyp]

Dear Jim,

Lets face the truth. obama is trying to destroy our country and turn it into a socialist nation. I know it and you know it. Why do you defend this guy? Granted that many previous administrations have pushed the things you mentioned, but think about it for a moment. These programs are started by democrats who push them to get them going. Once they are entrenched there is little choice but to keep them going. Otherwise you jerk the rug out from under a lot of folks. Example - good, bad or indifferent Social Security is here to stay. Can you imagine the riots that would ensue if any administration stopped it? Gives me the willies. But I digress. Back to obama. This guy said last Wednesday morning ok we get it. Jobs is the priority. But what does he do. Starts attacking banks and he doesnt quit for 3 days. Mixed in with rhetoric about not giving up on health care. Doesnt sound like he's trying to focus on jobs to me. At any rate, it is obvious that you are an obama supporter and maybe even a socialist leaning person. I dont know and dont care. All I know is I dont like his policies and the direction he is taking our country. I dont like it one bit. Anyone that does needs to drive by Arlington Cemetery twice a day like I do and think about all those heroes laying there that gave their life in defense of our Constitution and way of life as set forth by our Founders. May God have mercy on anyone who allows their blood to be spilled in vain...

Warm regards,
DK

[GS78]

Jim has some valid points. Truth is both parties have clearly departed from the vision the founding fathers had intended. On august 28, 2010 I believe there will be a rally, on the approach to the Lincoln Memorial, to reinstate honor to our government. Jim, maybe we could carpool?

[zephyp]

Jim has some valid points. Truth is both parties have clearly departed from the vision the founding fathers had intended. On august 28, 2010 I believe there will be a rally, on the approach to the Lincoln Memorial, to reinstate honor to our government. Jim, maybe we could carpool?

Indeed they have....

[GS78]

Jim has some valid points. Truth is both parties have clearly departed from the vision the founding fathers had intended.

Presidential leadership would provide the unity of direction--the vision--needed for true progressive government. "All that progressives ask or desire," wrote Woodrow Wilson, "is permission--in an era when development, evolution, is a scientific word--to interpret the Constitution according to the Darwinian principle; all they ask is recognition of the fact that a nation is a living thing and not a machine."


The thesis of our book, is that Progressivism transformed American politics. What was that transformation? It was a total rejection in theory, and a partial rejection in practice, of the principles and policies on which America had been founded....Remarks by Thomas G. West, author of "The Progressive Revolution in Politics and Political Science".


Both Obama, and Hillary Clinton have affectionately labeled themselves progressives........ ....birds of a feather......

[BluemontGlock]

"Truth is both parties have clearly departed from the vision the founding fathers had intended..."

excellent summarization!

now if i can only find a real guntoting Jeffersonian candidate to get behind...