Gary Johnson & Libertarian Thread

[OleMan]

This thread can be used to discuss Gary Johnson and the Libertarians in the presidential campaign and election.

[Steve32]

I did support it in 2012. And last year and this year too. Until like 3 weeks ago. He is all in for illegal immigration, for Black Lives Matter actions. He just said he respects Fox, the former Mexican leader and Angela Merkel the insane woman who is ruining Europe. Where is his strong support for the 2nd Amendment? His VP literally attacked it in an interview. They say so many nonsense things I just can't support them anymore. I wish Ron Paul would running.

[kelu]

Libertarian party has been hijacked, just like Republican and Democrat parties. I wonder who does this.

[SHMIV]

A few years back, I was associating with a chapter of the Young Republicans. It turned out that this chapter was actually a group of Libertarians that had the noble goal of taking over the Republican party.

It didn't seem like a bad plan. William Buckley took over the party, once. And the socialists took over the Democratic party decades ago.

I didn't take Libertarians seriously until I met these folks. Up to that point, I had the impression that Libertarians were a bunch of pot heads who were concerned primarily with legalizing weed. But, these guys had their priorities straight, and seemed to be more in line with my beliefs, which have always leaned more conservative.

Republicans and Libertarians have a lot in common, from what I have observed. It's a shame that they can't put their differences aside for a few years to achieve the common goal of a smaller and less intrusive government. The differences can be hashed out later.

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[ShotgunBlast]

Republicans and Libertarians have a lot in common, from what I have observed. It's a shame that they can't put their differences aside for a few years to achieve the common goal of a smaller and less intrusive government. The differences can be hashed out later.

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When the Republicans decide they want a smaller and less intrusive government, then maybe there will be some common ground.

[ShotgunBlast]

The campaign from the left to get millennials back under the Clinton by bashing Johnson continues on last night's Colbert. I was working with a customer at their house yesterday evening and whatever cable news channel they were watching was talking about Johnson in a disparaging way too. Democrat PACs are up to 6 figure buys just to get young voters back from Johnson.

http://www.mediaite.com/uncategorized/c ... war-crime/

No doubt Johnson has had a few gaffes in the last week, but I think he's gotten more media exposure this week because of it.

The Chicago Tribune, which has a history of endorsing both Democrats and Republicans, have said they will absolutely not endorse Trump this cycle. Clinton should have been handed that endorsement on a silver platter then for a heavily Democrat city, but instead the newspaper went with Johnson.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin ... story.html

Google Trends shows that searches for Gary Johnson were through the roof during Monday's debate and still trending higher than before the debate.

https://www.google.com/trends/explore?d ... %20johnson

[SHMIV]

SB, Republican voters DO want a smaller and less intrusive government. Unfortunately, so many promising Republican candidates get to Washington and forget why they are there.

I don't know if they simply sell out, or if maybe they have some skeletons in their closet that they are afraid may emerge, or if they make stupid compromises in the spirit of "non-partisanship" or "reaching across the aisle ". Maybe it's some combination of these things.

Many Republican voters that I know have considered the Libertarian party, actually. Some have the same misconceptions that I did,so they put such thoughts out of mind. But, I notice that, while Republican citizens and Libertarian citizens seem to want many of the same things, the Libertarian party seems just as inclined to pick goofy candidates as the Republican party is.

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[ShotgunBlast]

I agree that Republican voters do want a more limited government, but for some reason like you mentioned it does not translate to the representatives they elect.

The difference between the Libertarian goofy candidate and the Republican goofy candidate is that "goofy" is probably the worst way you could describe the Libertarian candidate who also has a record of actually limiting the size and scope of his state's government. I'll take goofy over a Twitter-ranting authoritarian any day.

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[SHMIV]

If the Libertarian candidate wasn't inclined to invite in the entirety of Mexico, I'd probably like him better. Being that he governed a border state, he should know better. The fact that he doesn't seem to, makes me wonder if he's either got some ulterior motive, or if he's just oblivious.

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[ShotgunBlast]

I would push back that your statement of his position is as inaccurate as it is oversimplified. Johnson knows that both walls and amnesty are not solutions to this problem. He understands that people are going to come into this country, so we must do what we can to streamline that process and get them into the system, otherwise they're just going to come here illegally. Work visas are probably the easiest way to do that.

https://www.johnsonweld.com/immigration

Many people say they have a problem with illegal immigration, but what they really have a problem with is just immigration in general. I'm not sure which camp you fall on that, but these people are coming to this country whether you like it or not, just like the Asians, Irish, and everyone else before them.

Do you look at his experience as governor of a border state and consider him oblivious to the issue simply because his view differs from your's? If instead he thought Trump's wall wasn't high enough would you then agree with him?

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[ShotgunBlast]

The left's battle against Johnson continues with last night's Bill Maher show. Him and Sarah Silverman rip millennials for backing Johnson instead of Clinton. They are really putting on the pressure to get those millennials back.

Maher has a 60 minute show and they spent 10% of it just on this topic and all they really did was say Johnson was a f'n idiot and to make that point they showed a video montage that included Aleppo, him sticking out his tongue, and the world leader question.

Wow, with the standard set that high, I don't know how any of the candidates on the ballot even qualify. As poisoned as Clinton is, I don't know why anyone would vote for her other than "to stop Trump."

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-a ... y-johnson/

[ShotgunBlast]

Jimmy Kimmel got in a few minutes on last night's show to go to the well AGAIN with the same three clips. "Aleppo" was a month ago so in the last 30 days the only thing Democrats can come out against Johnson about are the same three tired clips. Talk about unoriginal. The millennials they're trying to get back under the Hillary banner want new, fresh content.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GdbYg0AFa4

In other news, Keep America Great PAC, a pro-Clinton group, is out with a new ad targeting Sanders voters in Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Florida, Colorado, Virginia, North Carolina, Iowa, Michigan, and Nevada to get them away from Johnson and back for Clinton.

[bali]

a vote for Johnson is a vote for HIlary, so don't be stupid about this.

[Reverenddel]

The left's battle against Johnson continues with last night's Bill Maher show. Him and Sarah Silverman rip millennials for backing Johnson instead of Clinton. They are really putting on the pressure to get those millennials back.

Maher has a 60 minute show and they spent 10% of it just on this topic and all they really did was say Johnson was a f'n idiot and to make that point they showed a video montage that included Aleppo, him sticking out his tongue, and the world leader question.

Wow, with the standard set that high, I don't know how any of the candidates on the ballot even qualify. As poisoned as Clinton is, I don't know why anyone would vote for her other than "to stop Trump."

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-a ... y-johnson/

They hate the fact that he OWNS the narrative of what Millenials are looking for in a candidate. Hillary is "Old Skoo" loser, but Trump right now is Uranium! Completely untouchable by the average voter without an argument. I had to DELETE someone from FACEBOOK, simply because I said "Hey! What about 'Not judgin' others' is so complicated?"

Liberals lost their minds because I wasn't on the "Kick a dude while he's down" train

[Swampman]

a vote for Johnson is a vote for HIlary, so don't be stupid about this.

So, if we don't vote for Trump we're stupid? Screw you. You go vote for someone just to keep someone else out of office. Doesn't require much, if any, thought to do that. What requires thought is getting your head out of the MSM ostrich-hole and doing some research to decide where you think the candidates stand on issues of importance to you. Even then, the chameleons will trip you up in a heart-beat.

[kelu]

About 70 years ago, people in my country did not believed that communists will do too much harm. They public statements did not sound too bad, for the majority.
Fast forward, we never recovered from that.
Just saying.

I saw last week a movie that I believe every American should see. And it's absolutely no fiction there. Then vote for whoever you want.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1014763/

[bali]

ok, be stupid and let Clinton take your guns. then cry to Johnson about how helpless you are. he's bound to help you out.

[mamabearCali]

I like libertarians. When I think of the libertarian Party I think of Ron Paul. At the time I thought he was a bit nutty but in retrospect he was quite correct. If there was a libertarian running I might vote for him. Johnson and his VP seem like they took the worst of both parties and made it into a platform.

It is Sarvis, Cuchinelli, and McAwful all over again. What I find incredible is that those who voted for Sarvis because Cooch was too conservative are not voting for Johnson because Trump is not conservative enough.

I think they just want to be a protest vote. Whatever. It is your vote, but if Hillary gets in don't get all teary about turning in your weapons.

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[mamabearCali]

Now voting for Johnson.....sorry in phone mode and can't edit.

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[kelu]

I could have never imagined a situation when:
Democrats are against Trump
Mass media is against Trump
RNC is against Trump.
World leaders are against Trump
Boy, be must be doing something right to piss so many elitists.
Probably it's not part of the "big club"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKUaqFzZLxU