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Gary Johnson, by the way, seems a little too tolerant of women who are willing to brutally torture and murder their unborn children. If he was stronger on border issues, I might be willing to look past that for the time being, but it certainly doesn't make him look any better to me.

https://garyjohnson2016.com/issues/

Kind of a shame, really. He does hold a few positions that I like. But, on the other hand, I really can't fathom how he could govern New Mexico and be so wrong about the border. It really makes me question his level of intelligence. Had he governed a state like Wyoming, I might be more understanding. From what I have seen of Wyoming, it seems to be inhabited almost exclusively by actual Americans. Except maybe the Town of Buford, which was recently purchased by a Vietnamese man, who changed the name of the town to Phin Deli, and uses it as his American hub for coffee distribution. Last I spoke to anyone there, the 1 inhabitant of the town was still an American. But, by now the Vietnamese family might have pushed him out. But, I digress. Point is, I simply have no faith in Gary Johnson.

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SHMIV: you would probably like Austin Petersen, who is also running for the Libertarian Party nomination. He's a pro-life Libertarian, but like Johnson (and the Libertarian Party in general), takes an "Ellis Island" approach to immigration - background check, disease check, done.

http://austinpetersen2016.com/

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Something related to our forum:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... -gun-push/

Also, I fail to understand how Trump is less conservative than those in Congress that gave Barry everything he asked.
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kelu wrote:Something related to our forum:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... -gun-push/

Also, I fail to understand how Trump is less conservative than those in Congress that gave Barry everything he asked.
Spineless Republicans in Congress are a separate issue and I wouldn't want to set the bar so low to gauge presidential candidates, so let's just focus on Trump's "conservative-ness".

1. Donated between $100k - 250k to the Clinton Foundation and provided separate donations to Hillary's NY Senate run. Donated $4800 to Harry Reid in his 2010 election against Tea Party challenger Sharron Angle. Donations to Charlie Rangel top Trump's list of Congressmen he donates to, including a $10k donation in his 2006 run. "However, of the nearly $420,000 Trump has donated to committees, the largest recipient has been the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee with $116,000 — or more than one fourth of his total contributions to all party and political action committees." http://patriotupdate.com/donald-trumps- ... democrats/

2. The above plan sounds nice, but how does he reconcile that with his prior support of the AWB? Enough support to write about it in his 2000 book. Why are his properties gun-free zones? http://www.redstate.com/diary/freedomre ... un-rights/

3. Why is the guy tapped to help Trump consider VP options saying that Trump could consider a Democrat VP? http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2 ... ng-carson/

4. How conservative is it to be in support of the Obamacare mandate? How is a business transaction based on coercion from the federal government conservative? http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/02 ... e-mandate/

5. Does "conservative" Donald support Planned Parenthood or not? With all of the flip-flopping just in the last six months, it's hard to tell. http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/201 ... d-funding/

6. How "conservative" is it to have government get in the middle of free trade by imposing huge import tarrifs? http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2016/0 ... st-money./

7. How "conservative" is it to expand government to make it easier to sue people you disagree with? http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/26/media/d ... ibel-laws/

Last I checked, these weren't petty issues that conservatives cared about. Exercising natural rights, supporting free markets, shrinking the size and scope of government, not giving money to organizations that provide abortions seemed to rank pretty high with conservatives. How does that reconcile with the presumptive GOP nominee? And that's not even getting into his ugly character, which again, I thought was important to conservatives.

Sure, he's been able to rile a lot of people up talking big about a poor country that doesn't have enough money to take care of their own poor people to somehow have money to build a wall (which mind you, does not fix the immigration problem this country has, just spends a lot of money on the visible symptoms of the problem). Other than talk about "the wall" to gain traction in the media, what else is this Democrat with a R before his name really offering of substance? People think he's a political outsider, but he's been greasing Congress for decades with donations. I wonder what will happen when the President is also a big donor to Congress.
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I'll keep an eye on Mr. Peterson. Maybe there will be enough of the "Never Trump/Never Hillary" crowd to make him a viable candidate.

Of course, Gary Johnson has made himself slightly more visible. So, we'll see.

But, I don't dislike Trump enough (as President) to cast a 3rd party vote out of spite. Who would I be being spiteful towards? Not the Establishment GOP; Trump is surely not their candidate. No, his success is due to his connecting with guys like me; namely white, blue collar, working men. That's who I would be spiteful towards if I cast a vote for a candidate who really has no chance. That's not going to send a message, it will just help ensure that Hillary is elected. And, considering the massive damage already done by Obama, I simply won't risk it.

However, I will look at Mr. Peterson more closely, later. If I find that I really do like him, and I can get his campaign to send me a big box of literature, I will distribute it amongst the rest areas and truckstops, wherever I go, in an effort to let folks know that he exists. If he gains traction, gets on the ballot on at least 45 states, and it looks like he can actually pull it off, then I will give him my vote. Otherwise, it's Trump.

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I'm not a big fan of Trump, but I like him more than the viable alternatives.
Cruz was OK too, but he started to lie and cheat too much for my taste.
I would really love to see Ron Paul succeeded, but he was not strong enough to fight his own party.
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SHMIV wrote:I'm a Constitutional Conservative. I believe that following the Constitution is imperative to long term survival.

I'm also a realist. There's no way in hell that we wouldn't be better off today had McCain won in '08, or Romney in '12. Barry Soetoro has done an insane amount of damage.

I've said from the get go that I was a Cruz guy, but that I could envision a scenario where I would vote for Trump, and the scenario has presented itself.

Donald Trump is not McCain and not Romney. He's not Bush, and he's not Dole. Trump is NOT the next old white guy in line. He's hated by the establishment GOP, and I view that as a plus. He is also not a career politician. He has spent his adult life actually creating jobs. Other candidates talk about it, but he's actually done it. It's a by-product of being a successful businessman. I believe that Donald Trump truly loves the United States. Compare that to Hillary or Bernie, who hate the US with a passion, and would prefer that we turn into the USSR.

On Gary Johnson, his position, as stated a few posts above, on the border and immigration, is pretty much what I heard him say on the subject. Maybe Johnson is a patriot; he probably is. But, he is fatally wrong on that subject. I drive though places that are heavily populated with illegal Hispanic invaders, with great frequency. Those places are dangerous and filthy. Those people are not here to assimilate. They are here to soak up our resources, and send them back home. They are essentially bringing the culture that they have fled into our own.

Not only do I want to see a wall built, I want to see illegal immigrants executed on the spot, as enemy invaders, if they are caught here a second time. We do not need anything from that region. We have plenty of welfare recipients that can easily push brooms, pick cabbage, run cash registers, lawn mowers, and weed whackers. We have teenagers for that sort of thing, too. If we can get the government to back off in the agricultural department, we wouldn't need to import produce from that region.

Donald Trump does not hate the Constitution. As Bob pointed out, he is ignorant of it. Though, I think that he is less ignorant of it than he comes off.

Look, no one wants to get back to living by the Constitutional principles more than I. The Constitution is the closest thing to living by God's idea of Free Will that we can get with out having Anarchy. It's a beautiful thing.

But I also understand that we'll never get there until the Mexican Invasion has ceased, the Islamic Invasion has ceased, the UN has been kicked out, and we remind the rest of the world that we are still the World Superpower. Donald Trump seems to want to do these things. Sure, he could be lying. But, we know where everyone else, who's still running, stands on the matter, and they are all standing in the wrong place.

I will vote for Donald Trump. I will not hold my nose when doing so. And my conscience will be clear. I will not view my vote as one for the lesser of two evils; it will be a vote to preserve the United States as a Nation. Once we reestablish our nation as one with clear and definite borders, we can worry about reestablishing ourselves as a Constitutional Republic.

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Lol, sure thing. Considering that I'd only been awake for five minutes, and had barely gotten into my coffee, when I typed that out on a smartphone, that was surprisingly coherent of me. Rereading that, I am rather impressed with myself, lol.

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Trump is an Independent in the true sense of the word ... he says and does what he wants ... as far as donations to hillary or any other D, he donates as a businessman just like all the other businessmen do ... they donate to BOTH parties.
Regardless of his brashness and arrogance, he's still the best the R party has IMO, because he's not owned by K Street and answers to no lobbyist.

I say that as someone who has voted 3rd party the last two presidential elections .... Baldwin in 08 and Goode in 2012.

In my opinion, Cruz would make an excellent SC Justice, providing he doesn't have his strings pulled by another entity
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Hours later, a number of delegates were reporting on social media that Johnson was seen tossing Austin’s pistol in the garbage. A husband and wife witnessed Johnson throwing out the pistol and retrieved it from the garbage. The pistol has since been returned to Austin Petersen and remains in his possession.
http://libertyhangout.org/2016/05/gary- ... rsens-gun/

Probably I had wrong idea about what a libertarian is... certainly not this.
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kelu wrote:
Hours later, a number of delegates were reporting on social media that Johnson was seen tossing Austin’s pistol in the garbage. A husband and wife witnessed Johnson throwing out the pistol and retrieved it from the garbage. The pistol has since been returned to Austin Petersen and remains in his possession.
http://libertyhangout.org/2016/05/gary- ... rsens-gun/

Probably I had wrong idea about what a libertarian is... certainly not this.
Libertarianism is about not having the government interfere with someone's choices as long as those choices don't harm anyone else. It's about not liking something and not using the full weight of government to enforce your displeasure for that thing.

I don't think Gary Johnson personally is a big gun guy. Don't know if he owns any firearms at all, but he will do whatever he can to make sure the government doesn't take away your ability to own firearms if you choose to.

The optics of this definitely makes him look petty. Even if he didn't like Peterson he could at least take it back to his hotel room and then decide what to do with it.

Johnson on the issue of gun control: http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Gary_Jo ... ontrol.htm
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Yeah, it makes him look petty, alright. The behind-your-back type of petty. Pettyness is more tolerable when it's upfront.

His stance on gun control is interesting. He kept referencing concealed carry, but said nothing of open carry. The reporter also said something along the lines of "guns are used more for harm than good", which he didn't refute, just answered with a vague "deterrent " remark and said, "besides, Constitution."

Not that I have anything against referencing the Constitution, but when one is speaking to people who don't recognize the authority of the document, one really should have a stronger argument.

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Valid criticisms, but if one doesn't recognize the fundamental document that makes this country great, what else do you say to that person?

Also keep in mind that we're gun folks on a gun forum so we're wired to look at this topic a particular way and expected to have certain arguments lined up to support our position. Johnson's not a big gun guy so he doesn't have those arguments in his mind because he focuses on other topics in his platform.

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He may not be a gun guy (I'm ok with that, actually), but anyone who runs on the premise of living and governing by the Constitution should be better versed on the merits of the 2nd Amendment.

The 2nd Ammendment is the teeth of the document. It couldn't have lasted this long without it, and I believe that what little freedoms we have left, exist solely because of armed citizenry.

I just can't understand such a limp pro-gun argument from a guy who claims to stand on the Constitution.

I've had a fairly bad past couple of weeks, so I could very well just be cranky and petty myself, so forgive me if I come off as argumentative. And, I will concede that a limp pro-gun argument is better than none.

Oh, and what to say to one who doesn't recognize the fundemental document that makes this country great? Well, that depends on the context of the conversation, but in the relevant case, there are plenty of facts and data to support the importance and relevance of the Constitution. Would an interviewer under the employ of Playboy magazine pay much attention to it? Probably not. But, the magazine does have a large base of readers. 1 or 2 may have been swayed.

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As my gut told me, these are not the right people to vote for
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-president ... y-clinton/

On another note, today I have sent my application for citizenship. I'm thinking to get into politics, looks like someone has to protect your rights.
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kelu wrote:As my gut told me, these are not the right people to vote for
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-president ... y-clinton/

On another note, today I have sent my application for citizenship. I'm thinking to get into politics, looks like someone has to protect your rights.
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Let me know if you do, and I'll be sure to vote for you. I won't be eligible because I don't live anywhere near your district, so in order to vote for you anyway I'll have to register as a democrat...........
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That's the thing about perspective - everyone has one and they may be different.

RedState, far from being on the same political spectrum as HuffPo or MSNBC, gave Johnson mostly favorable reviews.
While still maintaining his penchant for avoiding negative campaigning, Johnson tackled Clinton's issues like a pro, citing how she's "beholden" to many people and groups from all the promises she made. When the subject people finding Clinton untrustworthy came up, Johnson simply responded "I totally get it."
http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2 ... town-hall/

I guess we all should just watch the town hall ourselves and form our own opinions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NmsA3b3lOU

FiveThirtyEight, using statistical analysis when aggregating poll data, shows that more often Johnson takes votes away from Clinton. Considering Johnson may be on the debate stage this year, that could be a good thing for Republicans.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ele ... -or-trump/

Of course if Republicans are looking to gain seats in the Senate, Trump seems to be acting like a lead balloon and may hinder those chances.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tru ... -with-him/
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dorminWS wrote:
kelu wrote:As my gut told me, these are not the right people to vote for
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-president ... y-clinton/

On another note, today I have sent my application for citizenship. I'm thinking to get into politics, looks like someone has to protect your rights.
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Let me know if you do, and I'll be sure to vote for you. I won't be eligible because I don't live anywhere near your district, so in order to vote for you anyway I'll have to register as a democrat...........
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The five-shot rifle, that’s a standard military rifle; the problem is if you attach a clip to it so it can fire more shells and if you remove the pin so that it becomes an automatic weapon, and those are independent criminal offenses,” Weld said. “That is when they become, essentially, a weapon of mass destruction. The problem with handguns probably is even worse than the problem of the AR15.
Weld then went on to state his very anti-libertarian belief that he believed people arbitrarily placed on lists by the government without due process should be stripped of their core constitutional rights without due process.
Why is he on the Libertarian Party ticket?
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