GOA Alert ,,, Health Care Vote

[VBshooter]

This may be a very close call ,Pelosi is pushing hard to get this to the floor by Saturday,,, And she is one of the nastiest Democrats in Washington,,, Nice to be a millionaire and want to control peoples lives with garbage legislation. Anti-gun ObamaCare bill Coming to the House Floor Very Soon
-- Critical time to lobby your Representative

Wednesday, November 4, 2009

We have reached the point in the battle over ObamaCare which will decide whether we win or lose.

The details of Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s bill are in, and they can be seen at http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf .

The bill (H.R. 3962) is 1,990 pages long and weighs over 20 pounds. And even though a search of the bill will not reveal the word “gun” or “firearm,” that doesn’t mean the bill is neutral in regard to your Second Amendment rights.

For starters, this bill will -- like all the ObamaCare versions before it -- most likely result in all of your gun-related health data being dumped into a government database that was created in the stimulus bill. This includes any firearms-related information your doctor has gleaned... or any determination of PTSD, or something similar, that can preclude you from owning firearms.

The bill will also create special "wellness" programs in section 112 which would allow the government to offer lower premiums to employers who bribe their employees to live healthier lifestyles -- and nothing within the bill would prohibit rabidly anti-gun HHS Secretary Sebelius from decreeing that "no guns" is somehow healthier.

The bill purports to cut Medicare by $500 billion -- in a move which will result in massive rationing for seniors, while ultimately adding hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit.

The bill will mandate that you purchase expensive government-approved policies and will (according to some studies) triple your insurance premiums through taxes and government requirements.

Of course, this all means that you will have less money to spend on pursuing your real passions -- like providing for your family and purchasing guns and ammunition!

ACTION: Write your Representative. Tell him or her to oppose this bill. Don’t be discouraged by reports in the liberal media which have tried to tell us -- since January -- that this battle is hopeless. We can win, and, with your help, we will win.

You can use the http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send the pre-written message below to your Representative.


----- Pre-written letter -----

Dear Representative:

The Pelosi health care bill, sponsored by Rep. Dingell, has now been made public.

For starters, this bill will -- like all the ObamaCare versions before it -- most likely result in all gun-related health data being dumped into the government database that was created in the stimulus bill. This includes any firearms-related information that doctors have gleaned... or any determination of PTSD, or something similar, that can preclude a person from owning firearms.

The bill will also create special "wellness" programs in section 112 which would allow the government to offer lower premiums to employers who bribe their employees to live healthier lifestyles -- and nothing within the bill would prohibit rabidly anti-gun HHS Secretary Sebelius from decreeing that "no guns" is somehow healthier.

The bill will, according to some studies, triple insurance premiums through taxes and government requirements -- while mandating that Americans purchase expensive government-approved policies.

But, perhaps most instructively, there is this: Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid promised to produce a $900 billion bill which would not add “one dime” to the deficit.

This bill will cost $1.3 trillion and will increase the deficit by AT LEAST $150 billion.

The only way Pelosi or the Congressional Budget Office can continue to pretend to the contrary is to take $247 billion in bill costs and slip them through in separate legislation.

In short, this process is fraudulent.

I have many issues with this legislation. And so I urge you to oppose this legislation and keep the government from inserting itself even more into my everyday life.

Sincerely,

[TheGodfather]

http://vagunforum.net/national-politics ... t2404.html

We need everyone we can get to come!

[zephyp]

This may be a very close call ,Pelosi is pushing hard to get this to the floor by Saturday,,, And she is one of the nastiest Democrats in Washington,,, Nice to be a millionaire and want to control peoples lives with garbage legislation. Anti-gun ObamaCare bill Coming to the House Floor Very Soon
-- Critical time to lobby your Representative

Wednesday, November 4, 2009

What anti gun bill. Do you have a number or reference?

[VBshooter]

The bill (H.R. 3962) is 1,990 pages long and weighs over 20 pounds. And even though a search of the bill will not reveal the word “gun” or “firearm,” that doesn’t mean the bill is neutral in regard to your Second Amendment rights.

[OakRidgeStars]

In the original incarnation of Obamacare there was S. 1776, which was alleged to dump information about the guns you own into a national database. It was feared that this database would be used to determine the level of risk based on the number of firearms in your household. Whether that is true or not is still unclear.

As you can see by the email in the OP, the GOA believes that this legislation is buried somewhere in the proposed health care reform bill (which ever one it will be)

[VBshooter]

True I would rather send the letter than not if for no other reason to make my congressman aware that I do not support Nancy Pelosi's pet project for her subjects in the US population

[zephyp]

The bill (H.R. 3962) is 1,990 pages long and weighs over 20 pounds. And even though a search of the bill will not reveal the word “gun” or “firearm,” that doesn’t mean the bill is neutral in regard to your Second Amendment rights.

Ok, I went back and reread the post. I thought he meant another bill.

By the way. Why do we all wait and just get upset over legislation that threatens the 2nd Amendment. I realize this is a site for gun owners but if they take other rights away then there wont be much left for the 2nd to stand on. I dont know about the rest of you but I dont want to give up ANY of my rights.

We need to get our heads out of the sand and start paying attention.

When they came with the stimulus I didnt speak up
When they came with cap and trade I didnt speak up
When the radical czars came I didnt speak up
When they came with socialized health care I didnt speak up
When they tried to restrict free press I didnt speak up
When they came for my guns there was no one left that would speak up for me

[TheGodfather]

When they came with the stimulus I didnt speak up
When they came with cap and trade I didnt speak up
When the radical czars came I didnt speak up
When they came with socialized health care I didnt speak up
When they tried to restrict free press I didnt speak up
When they came for my guns there was no one left that would speak up for me

Nice job modernizing Dietrich Bonhoeffer's quote.

[zephyp]

When they came with the stimulus I didnt speak up
When they came with cap and trade I didnt speak up
When the radical czars came I didnt speak up
When they came with socialized health care I didnt speak up
When they tried to restrict free press I didnt speak up
When they came for my guns there was no one left that would speak up for me

Nice job modernizing Dietrich Bonhoeffer's quote.

Lets hope somebody else doesnt do this 15 years from now if this really happens. We know what to do to avoid that. Speak out now against having any of our rights taken away.

History does not have to repeat itself.

[VBshooter]

You hit the mark with that DK,,We need to address all the nonsense that they are doing or we'll never see the US like it should be. THe arrogance of these people is almost unbelievable. It is US who have to do this ,,we know the opposition is organized and we need to meet them head on,People like Pelosi are the single best argument for term limits I have seen. Keep an eye on the Senate, the Dems are slowly trying to advance Climate legislation and may try and slide that peice of crap by in some kind of sneak attack.It;s gonna be a tough battle till 2010 and beyond but we have to stay strong or we;ll lose a country.

[OakRidgeStars]

Coverage of Obamacare protest today in D.C.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/05/ba ... elosicare/

[zephyp]

IMO we can protest all we want. They are going to do what whatever they want until they are convinced it will cost them their jobs.