$15 minimum wage arguement

[Reverenddel]

Put these salaries into logical terms as someone who knows the amount of training, and education needed to do these jobs below:

Registered nurse- $66,220
Elementary school teachers- $53,590
Fire Fighter- $43,443
Police Officer-$33,060
EMT/paramedics- $31,270
Inbound Call Center Rep- $28,962

Burger flipper at $15- $31,200 Average Salary per year.

If they keep pushing for this high minimum wage, and I can GUARANTEE you the technology WILL replace ALL of them! I can press the same keys as they can, and swipe my OWN card! All I need is someone relatively able to not spit into my food, and put it together. (Let's not get me started with getting simple orders wrong!)

If they don't like their job? Shave, take a shower, Find some decent clothes at Goodwill/Thrift store, speak properly, garner some skills at the local community college, and MOVE UP!

Burger Flipper, Bagging Clerk, and Cashier should NEVER be a "career choice", that's for kids starting OUT! Not grownazz people trying to maintain! Agreed?

[SHMIV]

Damned right, Rev. This whole thing is absurd.

McBurger Queens is NOT a career. Ringing up groceries is not a career. These menial minimum wage jobs don't really require much in the way of intelligence or labor, thus they don't pay much. Having done that sort of work, I am amazed at the lack of competence on the part of many of these employees.

Also, I note that these folks have been put right on par, financially speaking, as an EMT. There is no way that a burger flipper has the same value as an EMT.

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[tommy610]

And why did they pick $15? Why not demand $16?

[SHMIV]

I've worked actual skilled labor at less than $15/hr. Things that require a thought process, and that had problems to be worked out.

Why $15? Dunno. Why not even it out and ask for $20? The mobs of idiots are demanding $15, likely, because they read that they deserve it. I would assume that $15 was picked by the manipulators so that they could negotiate down to $10.

Of course, I advocate the complete abolishment of minimum wage. Wages are between the employee and the employer; no form of government has any business in the negotiations of wages.

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[MarcSpaz]

Besides I don't believe in the minimum wage, there is mathematical and historical proof that minimum wage is actually bad for the economy because it devalues/weakens the dollar.

If the artificial bottom (minimum wage) is artificially raised (raising minimum wage for reasons other than because of the market) causes the price of basic services goes up, but the income of others doesn't, then I can't buy as much with my dollar...aka dollars are devalued.

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[VACoastie]

You've got uneducated folks asking for what they have no clue about. They don't get that a company cannot raise your salary to a level where the market demand would decrease due to an increase in items prices. Yeah, go ahead and get that $15 dollars an hour. Except now you ain't got a dollar menu, a Whopper costs 10 dollars, and yet still made with poor quality ingredients and equally poor quality employees.

My thoughts: the uneducated being fed BS by the Gov't. The gov't hates anything unhealthy nowadays (Thanks Michelle Obama), and they are force feeding these ignorant folks that they deserve $15 an hour so the businesses will go down the drain.

Can't I just eat my 2 doubles with a medium fry and med coke in piece while an uneducated unskilled laborer makes my food for 8.50 an hour?

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[VACoastie]

You've got uneducated folks asking for what they have no clue about. They don't get that a company cannot raise your salary to a level where the market demand would decrease due to an increase in items prices. Yeah, go ahead and get that $15 dollars an hour. Except now you ain't got a dollar menu, a Whopper costs 10 dollars, and yet still made with poor quality ingredients and equally poor quality employees.

My thoughts: the uneducated being fed BS by the Gov't. The gov't hates anything unhealthy nowadays (Thanks Michelle Obama), and they are force feeding these ignorant folks that they deserve $15 an hour so the businesses will go down the drain.

Can't I just eat my 2 doubles with a medium fry and med coke in piece while an uneducated unskilled laborer makes my food for 8.50 an hour?

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[0ne5hot]

Also, I note that these folks have been put right on par, financially speaking, as an EMT. There is no way that a burger flipper has the same value as an EMT.

I only fight the reaper...

[Reverenddel]

As someone said to me after reading my post, "If an EMT, FIREFIGHTER, NURSE, OR COP messes up, someone dies. If the burger flipper messes up, someone's burger gets burnt."

[OakRidgeStars]

The solution to the $15 burger flipper is automation. RoboBurgerFlipper doesn't need a paycheck, or healthcare, or even a parking space. Now press 1 to hear the lunch menu in English.

[SHMIV]

W2B says that she made $17,000 annually as an EMT. Of course, she was in a small town area, and it's been a few years, but still...


Fire the strikers. Minimum wage employers have stacks of job applications on the desk. Everyone is replaceable.

Had a boss tell me that once, actually, when he hired me. "Never forget that you can be replaced."

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[OakRidgeStars]

W2B says that she made $17,000 annually as an EMT. Of course, she was in a small town area, and it's been a few years, but still...

It's ridiculous that we pay EMT's and cops such low wages while professional athletes make millions for their ball-playing prowess. Funny how no one calls a second stringer from the Redskins when they have chest pains.

[ShotgunBlast]

It may be ridiculous from a moral perspective, but from a supply and demand perspective it's right in line. You have what, a few thousand NFL players that possess a skill people will pay for vs a few million EMTs? Just like you can train anyone to flip a burger, you can train almost anyone EMT skills if necessary, but you can only train a select few that have the talents of a pro athlete. It's our prioritization of what we consider important that nets the athlete millions and the EMT peanuts.

I'm just a guy who doesn't watch the games or pay for the merch so what do I know.

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[MarcSpaz]

The solution to the $15 burger flipper is automation. RoboBurgerFlipper doesn't need a paycheck, or healthcare, or even a parking space. Now press 1 to hear the lunch menu in English.

Think of all the high paying IT and robotics jobs that will be created!

[WRW]

EMT's and police don't draw paying fans, commercial endorsements, advertising dollars, etc. Taxpayers pay their wages.

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[OakRidgeStars]

The solution to the $15 burger flipper is automation. RoboBurgerFlipper doesn't need a paycheck, or healthcare, or even a parking space. Now press 1 to hear the lunch menu in English.

Think of all the high paying IT and robotics jobs that will be created!

That's exactly what I'm counting on.

[OakRidgeStars]

EMT's and police don't draw paying fans, commercial endorsements, advertising dollars, etc. Taxpayers pay their wages.

I'm a big fan of anyone that saves my life.

[WRW]

EMT's and police don't draw paying fans, commercial endorsements, advertising dollars, etc. Taxpayers pay their wages.

I'm a big fan of anyone that saves my life.

LOL! Yeah, think you could schedule your life saving so admission could be charged?

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Fire/EMS (especially the volunteers that really throw a wrench into the pay scale discussion).

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[Reverenddel]

The volunteer firefighters, and EMT people are amazing to me. They do it for every reason, BUT the pay... So if they do it because they like the sirens? KUDOS! Like the spiffy uniforms? Well A'ight! Love being in control of someone's life? Rock on! Thanks for all you do!

The morality of jobs is another thing that gets me with this argument.

What have you done that DESERVES $15? What VALUE are you bringing to the table? Hell, Hotels could change to a "hostel" motif, and DRASTICALLY reduce the hotel maids. Fast food? Just watched a specially where the order takers were in a CALL CENTER in KENTUCKY while the restaurants were in MARYLAND/DC! That's just for the drive through, but think about removing the middle man. Pull out the counters, build a wall with a slot, and the person who makes it, puts it in the slot. Aldi already removed baggers, you bag it yourself. Self-check out may be the wave of the future!

Robotics, and I.T. will indeed replace them.

[SHMIV]

I was in a truck stop, the other day, that contained a Taco Smell franchise. As I was standing in line to order, I noticed a sign that told me to just skip the line, download the Taco Smell app, and place my order that way.

Usually, when I go to the grocery store, or Walmart, or even the Flying Pilot truckstops, I refuse to use the self-checkout lines. I do that for 2 reasons. 1, human contact is important. Modern society seems hellbent on removing any need to have physical human contact with strangers, and that just strikes me as wrong. Second, part of the price of purchase is paying for the cashier to ring me up and bag my purchases. Aldi's got rid of baggers, and the prices reflect that. (Also, they don't spend very much on shopping cart repair and replacement, so the customer sees savings from that.) So, if the self-checkout lines offer a discount, I may consider it, if I am in a hurry.

Maybe this is part of the plot. Aside from destroying the economy further, there will also be a continued diminishment of human contact.

If we all stop with physical human contact, and we all keep to ourselves, it will be so much easier to rat our neighbors out to the Gestapo.

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