Healthcare lobby attacks North Dakota concealed carry reform

[OakRidgeStars]

Another attempt to brand gun owners as "high risk" in order to saddle them with higher insurance premiums. This is why you NEVER tell a health care provider that you have guns in your home.

http://www.guns.com/2015/01/24/health-c ... orm-video/

[mamabearCali]

Turning over every rock aren't they. Wretches.

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[0ne5hot]

I would say from personal experience that "doctors" are more "High Risk" to your health then guns...

[SHMIV]

“ 'Not asking about firearms sets up a physician for malpractice while violating their First Amendment right to free speech,' Courtney Koebele, executive director of the North Dakota Medical Association told the committee"

1)How does asking about firearms correlate with malpractice? Are doctors to also ask about kitchen knives, power tools in the workshop, or automobiles in the garage? What about other potentially dangerous items in the household?

2) How does that violate free speech any more than barring the doctor from telling me what I want to know about someone else's medical records?

@One5hot: I have noticed that most people who die have seen a doctor, at least once, in their lifetime.

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[Swampman]

“ 'Not asking about firearms sets up a physician for malpractice while violating their First Amendment right to free speech,' Courtney Koebele, executive director of the North Dakota Medical Association told the committee"

1)How does asking about firearms correlate with malpractice? Are doctors to also ask about kitchen knives, power tools in the workshop, or automobiles in the garage? What about other potentially dangerous items in the household?

2) How does that violate free speech any more than barring the doctor from telling me what I want to know about someone else's medical records?

@One5hot: I have noticed that most people who die have seen a doctor, at least once, in their lifetime.

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Exactly correct. And that last point is a big correlation that bears investigation.

[dorminWS]

“ 'Not asking about firearms sets up a physician for malpractice while violating their First Amendment right to free speech,' Courtney Koebele, executive director of the North Dakota Medical Association told the committee"

1)How does asking about firearms correlate with malpractice? Are doctors to also ask about kitchen knives, power tools in the workshop, or automobiles in the garage? What about other potentially dangerous items in the household?

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I suppose they are saying if they don't ask and "assess that risk" they haven't done an adequate medical history; thereby failing to meet a self-imposed "standard of care" regarding firearms snooping. But it seems to me that if that action is barred by statute, then that statute establishes the standard of care and the doc has no malpractice liability. So, it's just another example of the medical profession using mumbo-jumbo and their carefully-cultivated image as "someone who knows better than you and ought to tell you how to run your life" to run your life. Same as the witch doctors in the Tarzan movies; just with higher tech and better vocabularies.

2) How does that violate free speech any more than barring the doctor from telling me what I want to know about someone else's medical records?

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Invading people's privacy to penalize them for exercising their Second Amendment rights isn't speech, it is action. If I tell you that it is my deeply-held political and philosophical conviction that you're too rich for social justice and the tenets of Obamunism therefore entitle me to demand that you give me your wallet or I'll shoot you, the fact that I used speech to rob you does not excuse my offense. Same thing here. A statute forbidding doctors from advising people against owning guns or expressing an opinion that they should get rid of their guns probably would violate a doctor's First Amendment rights.

@One5hot: I have noticed that most people who die have seen a doctor, at least once, in their lifetime.
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I'd have to say that with respect to both of those legally-based claims that those doctors need to consult a lawyer.

[SHMIV]

I don't care if a doctor (or anyone else) wants to express an opinion, or offer advice, in regards to firearms. He's got the right, I do not deny it.

But, that's not the issue. The issue is that doctors ask about firearms when it's not medically relevant, and record that information.

Perhaps the answer is to bar doctors from recording whether or not a patient owns or has access to firearms. That way, asking outright is pointless, unless he is asking for relationship building purposes. And offering and opinion or advice would also be pointless, as that would be a way around a ban on asking. (If asking was banned, a doctor could still casually bring up firearms, and see how the patient responds. If a patient responds with something like "I never do thus-and-so with my guns", they could then record that the patient owns guns)

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[Viper21]

Took my son to the doctor about 1 1/2yrs ago for a sprained ankle. It was pretty significant & wanted to see if it was broken. Happened in a basketball game in gym class. I couldn't believe all the questions they were asking in the initial evaluation. This was all before we saw a doctor. Must be on a script cause lady at the clinic was reading off a computer screen, & inputting the answers.

I told her it was none of her business & refused to answer what I deemed irrelevant questions. Never asked me about firearms but, after "well water or city water", & "primary heat source in your home", I politely told her it was none of her business & irrelevant. She said, "So..... refuse to answer ?" I simply repeated, again politely, with a smile, & slight laughter.... it's really none of your business how I heat my home, or what water source I have in my home. My son hurt his ankle in a basketball game, Im not in here for an unknown airborne or waterborne virus...... mind your business, & lets keep it relevant She asked several other what I thought were ridiculous, & or irrelevant nosy questions but, it's been awhile, & I can't remember them all.

Next time, I'll take a pen & paper in with me.... & when she asked me a stupid question, I'll respond by asking her the same question....at least I'll have a full list of the invasive, irrelevant, none of anybodys business questions they ask.....

[Reverenddel]

(sigh) I miss Doctors that just saw you, and you paid them.

Insurance is the bane of all existence in the end.

[0ne5hot]

@One5hot: I have noticed that most people who die have seen a doctor, at least once, in their lifetime.
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That is kind of what I was hinting at.

(sigh) I miss Doctors that just saw you, and you paid them.

Insurance is the bane of all existence in the end.

You can still do that but most Drs don't even know what their billing rates are.

[mamabearCali]

Why I like naturopath doctors most of the time you get better advice and you just pay them for their service. Why I also love my HSA.....let's me pay for the things I want with my own $$.

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