More injustice from cops

[Newgunguy]

Hahaha okay so only a few huh. Yes they are supposedly human beings, yet they have the power and the courts to do what they wish. Since you last video is about close to where I live, shall we talk about the incident after the marathon a couple of years ago? Or lets talk about your supposed human being that was strip searching people on the side of the road, while other supposed humans were standing there, and yet nothing happened to them. You can view them as you wish, but I see the truth and how it is becoming and will teach my children not to trust any of them for any reason. So like I had said before, until they start turning on each other instead of hiding the truth, I could care less what happens to them at all! With that being said, I am only a human being right?

Charles.

[grumpyMSG]

Your slant is obvious.

Maybe a bit less time on "police state" would be in order.

If you don't hear stories about postal carriers and vicious dogs you don't know any. They all carry mace.

Hint: If your asked by two officers in uniform to stop, with your hand in your pockets and your hoodie up, it might be good to do so because they want to see their wives and kids that night.

Actually, my old postal carrier went the other route, all the dogs in the neighborhood loved him because if they were in the yard when he rolled through, they got biscuits. That is what I used to give him as a Christmas gift.

ratherfish, I read that link about the Philadelphia Police, it said they weren't in uniform. This is pure speculation by me at this point, but the biggest contributing factor that ended with Mr Holland shot is that he feared he was about to be robbed. http://blog.phillypolice.com/2012/05/co ... y-council/ has the demographics for the PD. with about 1/3 African American officers, I would venture the guess that he was approached by two of them. Anybody who has done any research on crime statistics learns quickly that most crimes (80-85%) are committed within the same race. If they had been in uniform it probably wouldn't have happened. They would have stopped the man, frisked him, asked a few questions and he would have been on his way. Of course even that could have gone bad for the man if he had a bad attitude toward the Police. Because they were responding to a shots fired call a frisk would be completely reasonable and constitutionally legal. They wouldn't be allowed to empty his pockets or search for drugs, just pat him down to ensure he did not have a weapon. Then they would ask a question or two. Now at that moment, is where I have problems with the "never cooperate with the police" crowd, if an LEO asks "what are you doing here, at this hour?" I will never understand how the correct answer is not "delivering a cheeseburger to XYZ" versus "I don't have to answer that".

[Newgunguy]

Well thank you GrumpMSG, at least you can read articles before you comment on them. As for ratherfish, I seen that it took you two edits to get it right in what you actually wanted to say! Well if you don't like stories from "police state" then how about some video from youtube. So you can honor us with your intellectual insight as to how it was viable for the NAZI'S to be shooting at someone who has their back to them? This is why myself and lots others in this country have none and will continue to have no respect for them whatsoever!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy7VZ6IiInI

Sure if he was running and shooting at them, then fine by all means fire back but this guy was just running away with something in his hand. We all know how that is though right,, someone has something in their hand, shoot first so they can go home, but what about everyone else in this country. Do the rest of us not have a right to go home safely, seems though that the court has already determined that they have no legal obligation, so then again why do they need so much of our tax dollars? It's not like they actually deter crime, they merely delay it and then come afterwards to clean up! So basically they are heavily armed janitors but they are also like the school bully that is connected to the principle. So again, you can see it and feel the way you choose but I myself could care less what happens to any of them in this country, especially with the way it is getting more and more out of control each year!

Charles.

[mamabearCali]

Sorry but the term COP and PIG pretty much say it all.

ANY vocation has bad apples. They should be treated as such and weeded out.

LEO's have a hazardous and difficult job. That alone commands basic respect. You want thuggs? Go to DC. You'll be hoping for the protection of the thin blue line.

Well pig is offensive...but they call themselves cops. As I understand it, it comes from the copper badge they used to wear.

Lots of people have hazardous and dangerous jobs. They get the same basic respect that I give everyone including LEO's.

One of the problems I have seen of late (in the last 3-5 years) is that when the "bad apples" go bad (side of the road strip searches and body cavity searches, choking out drunk teens while they are in handcuffs, etc) the good apples sit there and watch them do it and take no action. Another problem I have, and why I treat all LEO's with caution is that, unless I know you, I have no idea if I am dealing with a bad apple or a good apple.

Here is the difference I see. Most of the time I know how to avoid the nasty criminals in life, you do not go to the areas they live in after 10 am. If for some reason I am dealing with a nasty criminal I have the law on my side if I must defend myself, and people can and might help me.

Now my chances of dealing with a criminal cop (bad apple) are not that high. However if I am unlucky enough to find one (and the bad apple rates seems to be going up in recent years) and they decide to act criminally against me, I may not defend myself and the law in 99% on his side and no one will help me. So if a LEO wants to strip search me on the side of the road (has happened in the last 12 months--not to me to others).....I have no defense possible.

This is not me hating cops. I don't. This is caution and care in the face of what appears to be either a growing incidences or growing awareness (through video) of abuses of authority by the bad apples.

Incidentally my exposure to these incidences is through drudge, fox news, breibart, huffington post, and sometimes to corroborate things and check sources the blaze. A little conservative perhaps but not that far off the beaten path.

[vaeevictiss]

I also never said I hate cops either, but you can take my comments however you want. I'm entitled to my opinion. I'm always respectul of police any time I'm around them, I simply don't trust them is all im saying.

You always see people defending them and I completely understand there are more good ones than bad...I simply don't know which ones that are. The bigger point to this is that the good cops that work around the bad cops DO know the difference... Why haven't they done anything? Police just protect their brothers in blue simply because they are brothers in blue.

So again, I'll be nice to cops, ill be chatty with them, I'll cooperate with them. The couple I'm really close with I trust some what, but over all, not really in the trust department with them.

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[vaeevictiss]

Hint: If your asked by two officers not in uniform to stop, with your hands in your pockets and your hoodie up, it might be good to do so because they want to see their wives and kids that night.

...and what?! How is he supposed to know they are cops? It's like that BS indecent with Virginias "beverage cops" going after those people in cville with the water.

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[Newgunguy]

So I'll just leave this one here!!

http://www.pressherald.com/news/Maine_m ... _dog_.html

Brandon Carpenter, 28, a traveling musician from Portland, says the police officer shot his dog to death in a local newspaper’s parking lot, even though his mixed-breed pooch was tied up and acting friendly.

Carpenter told the Press Herald on Wednesday evening that he and his friend, 21-year-old Logan Laliberte of Auburn, hopped off a freight train in Sulphur, Louisiana, early Monday morning. To avoid a rainstorm, they took shelter in the back of an unlocked van in the Southwest Daily News parking lot.

Charles.

[Kreutz]

LEO's have a hazardous and difficult job. That alone commands basic respect. You want thuggs? Go to DC. You'll be hoping for the protection of the thin blue line.

Respect can be commanded? Screw earning it I guess; takes effort. Who has time for that crap anyway?

Thing is I was always taught respect was a two way street.

And when they can shoot you in the back, taze your crippled granny, kill your leashed pets, or trash your house because they're too stupid and/or lazy to bother double checking an address with utter impunity, that kind of indicates a serious lack of respect to the citizenry on their part.

Why not go to the next level and just love them? Did it take you forty years?

[Newgunguy]

Not really injustice from the NAZI'S but more crap from the system that controls them. So now not only does the nations courts say that they have no legal obligation to PROTECT anyone, now a state has ruled that they can just basically do anything they want to you while driving! This is coming from the home state of the NRA, so how much more proof does one really need that this country is becoming a "POLICE STATE"! The days of the respectful officer friendly are over and they are moving towards being Judge Dredds.

http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/s ... b2370.html

"Pennsylvania police officers no longer need a warrant to search a citizen’s vehicle, according to a recent state Supreme Court opinion.
The high court’s opinion, released Tuesday, is being called a drastic change in citizens’ rights and police powers.
Previously, citizens could refuse an officer’s request to search a vehicle. In most cases, the officer would then need a warrant — signed by a judge — to conduct the search."

Charles.

[Reverenddel]

(shrugs) Put it like this... you act like an ass, either cop, or civy... you're making it difficult.

If you know your rights, again either cop or Civy... things go smoother.

I'm not impolite, but I'm not just rambing either. I'm VERY guarded in what I say, and my actions when interacting with LEO's.

[mamabearCali]

I have seen police in video's be brutal to people who were not being an ass. Just because you are polite does not mean they will not taze you, beat you, assault you, and maybe even shoot you.

That is not the common way. But it hardly matters if it happens to you if it is common or not. That body cavity searches on the side of the road are not common matters little to those two girls in TX.

Home invasions in chesterfield are not common either. I still keep a gun handy here and there around the house.

On the PA issue.

I still do not recommend consenting to the search. Court decisions can be overturned and are overturned often enough. If you consent and you have anything in your car that is illegal knowingly or not (and there are 1000's of laws the common person has never heard of) you are done.

[Newgunguy]

Us mere citizens are not capable or competent enough to handle firearms, that should be restricted to only the military and the NAZI'S!!

http://nypost.com/2014/04/30/off-duty-n ... -civilian/

"NYPD Officer Brendan Cronin drove up to a stoplight just past the city border in Pelham, Westchester, a bit before midnight Tuesday and allegedly unloaded his boozy barrage at a passenger in another car.
He fired 13 shots, hitting the man six times, the sources said.
Cronin, 27, capped his night of misadventure by nearly getting himself killed — allegedly pointing his Glock 9mm at officers who stopped him after he fled the scene of the shooting."

Charles.

[ratherfish]

LEO's have a hazardous and difficult job. That alone commands basic respect. You want thuggs? Go to DC. You'll be hoping for the protection of the thin blue line.

Respect can be commanded? Screw earning it I guess; takes effort. Who has time for that crap anyway?

Thing is I was always taught respect was a two way street.

And when they can shoot you in the back, taze your crippled granny, kill your leashed pets, or trash your house because they're too stupid and/or lazy to bother double checking an address with utter impunity, that kind of indicates a serious lack of respect to the citizenry on their part.

Why not go to the next level and just love them? Did it take you forty years?

Splains why you conldn't hack the military kid.

Give any authority that nasty NY attitude and your liable to be bound and gagged. Most punks with it are out for no good. Asking someone who's betting their life on the the chances that a nasty attitude DOESN'T mean a nasty motive is insane at best.

OF COURSE you don't lay down and surrender your rights. But you don't face all LEO's with the crap that you and the original poster assume either.

Except as a blow hard on the internet.

Fine if you want to blow off a little steam about "the man" but if you intend to live long and prosper be nice and you'll usually be treated nice.

Like the jitterbug, so simple it plumb escapes some people.

[Newgunguy]

Well ratherfish, it seems to be getting harder and harder to do anything right these days without becoming a "suspect". I'm me damn, if you can't just drive down the road the way we were taught anymore what else is there to do?

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/cindy-lee-westhoven/

The incident took place on April 18, 2012, at roughly 7:45 p.m. A border patrol agent driving down Highway 80 saw a white Ford F-150 heading the opposite direction. This took place roughly 40 miles north of the U.S./Mexico border — well inside the United States.

Although the truck was witnessed breaking no traffic laws, Border Patrol Agent Joshua Semmerling claimed he noticed several things that drew his suspicions — while passing the truck at 60 miles per hour.

First was the driver’s upright posture. The female driver was sitting up straight with her hands properly located on the upper part of the steering wheel. This was viewed as suspicious activity.

Secondly, the agent claimed that the truck’s tinted windows were suspicious. It remains unclear how the agent saw driver’s posture through the “suspicious” tint.

Charles.

[ratherfish]

Back away from the keyboard and pretend you never heard of the site "policestate.com" LOL


Funny place to troll against LEO's.


Better here than in public I suppose.


Carry on!

[Newgunguy]

Honestly how is it "trolling" when it is the truth? So is it considered "trolling" to find out who was actually responsible for fast and furious and benghazi? Besides the site actually shares more news than the liberal controlled big ones do.


Charles.

[Kreutz]

Splains why you conldn't hack the military kid.

Yes, that's precisely why I left with an honorable discharge and zero article 15's.

Give any authority that nasty NY attitude and your liable to be bound and gagged. Most punks with it are out for no good. Asking someone who's betting their life on the the chances that a nasty attitude DOESN'T mean a nasty motive is insane at best.

Expecting people to behave in a civil and lawful manner and be held accountable for their misdeeds is a "nasty NY attitude"?

OF COURSE you don't lay down and surrender your rights. But you don't face all LEO's with the crap that you and the original poster assume either.

Something tells me the chip on my shoulder is about a millionth the size of yours.

This may shock you, but I actually don't hate cops anymore than I do lumberjacks, grocers, programmers, clowns, or bakers.

Scratch that, I think clown hunting should be legal and encouraged.

My "crap" is reserved for the bad actors and the culture that lets them get away with it. My mistrust for cops is not based on my imagination,but rather the ample evidence they can (and do) pretty much whatever the hell they want.

Except as a blow hard on the internet.

You typing this from Texas? I sincerely hope you didn't just type it in a greenhouse in Virginia. Falling glass is hazardous after all.

Fine if you want to blow off a little steam about "the man" but if you intend to live long and prosper be nice and you'll usually be treated nice.

How is calling attention to some consequence free serious abuses by some LEO's "blowing off steam"? This a real and serious issue more people need to be made aware of.

Like the jitterbug, so simple it plumb escapes some people.

This must be before my time

[ratherfish]

Whoa charles!

Your train is jumping the track to mine........

Government over reach now THAT's something I can sink my teeth into!

IRS manipulation of the election......obviously
Hillary and BHO shielded by the press from taking responsability for 4 Americans deaths! that's pretty obvious too!

But all or most LEO's being nazi's.....I'm friends with too many that ar not to sing that corus with you!


Be well and safe!

[ratherfish]

Oh LORD.


There's the yankee boy with his 15 part responses intended to make him appear not OWNED....


Go spend some time on treehugger dot com where you pick up your facts!

I'm way too tired....


Again Be well and safe!


Reason for edit: weariness....

[Kreutz]

Oh LORD.


There's the yankee boy with his 15 part responses intended to make him appear not OWNED....


Go spend some time on treehugger dot com where you pick up your facts!

I'm way too tired....


Again Be well and safe!


Reason for edit: weariness....

I'll limit the syllables then.

If you lick Officer Donuts boots long enough, think he''ll let you touch his nightstick?