This is enough to make me start packing my bags.............

[dorminWS]

....... and getting ready to move out of what used to be Virginia.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/0 ... 99796.html

[kelu]

I am really curious if you can just get this kind of data legally, without accessing restricted databases.
If is possible, we can do it too. If, not, this operation can be shut down.

[Reverenddel]

(shrugs) Short of spliting the state, what can we do?

[ShotgunBlast]

Obama revolutionized and modernized the election campaign in 2008 with strong demographic analysis, a strong online presence, and lots of cash to keep the machine going. It truly is a 21st century operation that is easy to let individual state and local races tap into.

The days of campaigning by waving on a parade float or wearing a "vote for me" button are over. Either the GOP needs to get up to speed or it's going to be some rough election cycles for them.

[SHMIV]

Obama revolutionized and modernized the election campaign in 2008 with strong demographic analysis, a strong online presence, and lots of cash to keep the machine going. It truly is a 21st century operation that is easy to let individual state and local races tap into.

The days of campaigning by waving on a parade float or wearing a "vote for me" button are over. Either the GOP needs to get up to speed or it's going to be some rough election cycles for them.

It raises an eyebrow, that Huff is reporting this.

Are they getting cocky, and saying "look what we did"?

Do they figure that the left has gotten enough power, that spilling these little secrets no longer matters?

I would have expected to see a story like this one come from a more conservative outlet.

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[mamabearCali]

How did they access that sort of information? That is really creepy and I am not sure I am ok with that sort of info available on me.

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[Swampman]

Privacy is over in the information age. Get used to it.

[SHMIV]

Odd... I don't recall quoting anyone.

I don't even know how to use the quote function in mobile mode...

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[Kreutz]

It raises an eyebrow, that Huff is reporting this.

Are they getting cocky, and saying "look what we did"?

Do they figure that the left has gotten enough power, that spilling these little secrets no longer matters?

I would have expected to see a story like this one come from a more conservative outlet.

Eh, this is the course du jour from now on. Campaigns need specific data to motivate their likely voters ti get to the polls to avoid wasting a campaigns $ and time on those who will not be receptive.

The GOP had a similar system in 2012 (Orca was it?) that was a humongous failure.

[FiremanBob]

As powerful as that technology is, the real deciding factor in those special elections was more likely election fraud by the Dems. Their machine fights the war on all fronts.

[ShotgunBlast]

As powerful as that technology is, the real deciding factor in those special elections was more likely election fraud by the Dems. Their machine fights the war on all fronts.

As much as I agree with voter ID laws just on the fact that I have to show my ID to do far more trivial tasks, I just don't see the mass voter fraud that Republicans claim is running rampant throughout our country. If people are going to keep talking about voter fraud, at least back it up with actual cases and legitimate investigations.

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawk ... /page/full

Ah, Townhall gives 7 examples that show voter fraud is a huge problem. Awesome, except 2 of those examples just show that committing voter fraud is possible (duh), 3 examples show only one person committing fraud, and 1 example is from the 1960s. That's six out of seven examples that show that voter fraud is not a huge problem, but either possible to do, isolated incidents, or obsolete based on new laws put in place since then. The Al Franken 2008 example is a valid example, but with all of the rampant voter fraud I keep hearing about I'd expect to hear about dozens more examples each election cycle that illustrate true voter fraud and not these watered down examples that Townhall was able to muster.

[kelu]

It does not mater who and what votes. The important part is who count the votes.

[mamabearCali]

If you listen shotgun you will hear of massive voter fraud in anecdotal evidence. Why were all the republican poll workers kicked out in philly? Why were some districts voting 130% for Obama? Where did all the bus loads of immigrants come from that were permitted to just walk in and vote?

The stories are out there. Now why aren't thing prosecuted, because if is not what you know, but what you can prove that stands up in court.

Can I prove that while the republican poll workers were kicked out that the dems did anything improper.....would be hard unless there were cameras. But as a ham being I know that they did not kick out the R's for fun.

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[FiremanBob]

Shotgun, google up some of John Fund's writings on the issue of Democrat election fraud. As to the lack of cases gone to trial, that's the beauty of this nearly perfect crime: without a system in place to shine light on it, you can't see it happening. But it is real, and it is huge.

[UnderwaterMike]

This is part of what I do for a living. The tools have been around and in use in various industries (e.g., financial services) since the 80s. It just took politicians -- especially at the state level -- longer to move away from older-style grassroots methods.

As much as it pains me to say, the GOP has nothing but itself to blame. Despite the influx of liberals into VA -- definitely NOT why I moved here 20 years ago! -- the state and national Republican machines threw away last fall's opportunity. Period.

And it's not like this was a surprise, either. The demographics have been shifting since the early 90s, yet the state GOP kept its head in the sand. I'd say that they deserve what they got, except that the rude lesson pulled the rest of us along for the ride.

Back to the OP, unless you do business entirely in cash, don't drive, never served, don't communicate in any form and live in a bunker, you're pretty much on the map and available for purchase.

[ShotgunBlast]

If you listen shotgun you will hear of massive voter fraud in anecdotal evidence.

On a national level, anecdotal evidence doesn't mean jack, and I wouldn't rush to describe the examples as "massive".

Here's one person who wants to vote in both Texas and Florida and the OFA worker described the plan as "funny" and "cool". http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/10 ... ote-twice/

Here are some people that wonder how Obama got 100% of the vote in some all black and latino districts in Philly, yet never think about how Romney gets similar results in other districts around the country. http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/phi ... &viewAll=y

17 illegals cast ballots in Ohio. http://conservativebyte.com/2013/12/non ... ing-state/

Bob, thank you for at least pointing me in a direction. I get why Fund makes the rounds during election time so he can sell books, but even I find his examples lacking evidence of a nationwide fraud machine. Obama still had to spend $1B in 2012 just to squeak by with 51% of the popular vote. You'd think with that kind of cash and a whole bunch of dead people voting he'd at least get into the mid to upper 50s.

Here he is talking about how voter fraud is possible. Yes, we all know it's possible, but where's the rampant fraud he hypes all the time? http://www.nationalreview.com/article/3 ... -john-fund

Here he is talking about 19 fraudulent votes in Hamilton County out of almost 422,000 cast. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/02/08 ... shi/192592

He does have a valid example here where in 2008 4,600 to 5,300 more votes were counted in Milwaukee than the number of voters recorded as having cast ballots, but the conclusion was the single thing to help reduce this fraud would be to eliminate same-day voter registration (which I agree with). http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 0226978178

Fund does say that while we have all kinds of penalties for counterfeiting our currency, the penalties for counterfeiting our elections are so minuscule ($50 fine and 3 hours community service is cited) that prosecutors tend not to bother. I think in this case the punishment does not fit the crime. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/10 ... e-and-you/

I think showing photo ID when voting, eliminating same-day voter registration, and cleaning up the election rolls would eliminate a lot of these anecdotal stories and hopefully quell some of the "stolen election" fearmongering.

[mamabearCali]

How bout this then. The reason we have Obamacare.....1000 illegally voting felons.

http://washingtonexa.miner.com/york-whe ... le/2504163

Don't tell me voter fraud does not matter. If Coleman had won as what should have happened Obamacare would not have happened.

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[ShotgunBlast]

How bout this then. The reason we have Obamacare.....1000 illegally voting felons.

http://washingtonexa.miner.com/york-whe ... le/2504163

Don't tell me voter fraud does not matter. If Coleman had won as what should have happened Obamacare would not have happened.

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I never said voter fraud does not matter and I already covered the Franken election in a previous post, but out of all of the elections that happen every year nationwide, that one single election is all anyone can point to where the results would have been different without the fraud.

I'm saying that as much bellowing people do talking about how voter fraud is a rampant problem, there are scant results that show anything has changed because of it. The days of someone voting and then going to the back of the line to vote again are gone. Does that mean that I support voter fraud? Absolutely not, but it's just like trying to eliminate anything 100%, whether it's voter fraud, EBT abuse, or gun violence, the more resources you throw at the problem through money, laws, and regulations the more you encounter the law of diminishing returns and the increasing frustrations of the law-abiding. I'll settle for the 19 fraudulent votes out of 422,000 votes cast. That's a dang good percentage of valid votes and it's going to take more resources to stamp out those 19 fraudulent votes than what it's probably worth.

[mamabearCali]

How bout this then. The reason we have Obamacare.....1000 illegally voting felons.

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Don't tell me voter fraud does not matter. If Coleman had won as what should have happened Obamacare would not have happened.

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I never said voter fraud does not matter and I already covered the Franken election in a previous post, but out of all of the elections that happen every year nationwide, that one single election is all anyone can point to where the results would have been different without the fraud.

I'm saying that as much bellowing people do talking about how voter fraud is a rampant problem, there are scant results that show anything has changed because of it. The days of someone voting and then going to the back of the line to vote again are gone. Does that mean that I support voter fraud? Absolutely not, but it's just like trying to eliminate anything 100%, whether it's voter fraud, EBT abuse, or gun violence, the more resources you throw at the problem through money, laws, and regulations the more you encounter the law of diminishing returns and the increasing frustrations of the law-abiding. I'll settle for the 19 fraudulent votes out of 422,000 votes cast. That's a dang good percentage of valid votes and it's going to take more resources to stamp out those 19 fraudulent votes than what it's probably worth.

If it happened there it happens here. The reason we know about it is because that election was closely scrutinized. 1000 fraudulent votes more or less in every state is 50,000 fraudulent votes. That is not nothing.

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[ShotgunBlast]

If it happened there it happens here. The reason we know about it is because that election was closely scrutinized. 1000 fraudulent votes more or less in every state is 50,000 fraudulent votes. That is not nothing.

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I'm glad we can save all that time in fact finding and evidence gathering and just go with the blanket position that if it happened in one place then it's obviously a problem nationwide. Jeeze, and we blast Democrats for making blanket statements while ignoring the stats and figures when it comes to gun control.

You're right though; 50,000 fraudulent votes isn't nothing. If we did have that many it would be 0.0410% of the 121,745,725 votes cast in our last presidential election. Any system would kill for that level of integrity.