Rualert wrote:I too would be a bit shy about this one, it's way too easy to over come both finger prints, and RFID signals. I work in the computer security sector, and my pen test team have broken both of these methods before.
Casey
I wouldn't worry about this (familiar with computer security as well). Most of these "safes" are light weight and a couple of blows with a hammer opens them. Virtually none of the products on the market are designed to keep out anyone out who doesn't care about damaging the safe. A thief wants the valuables, could care less if they broke your safe open with a hammer or crowbar.
These are "child-proof" containers. Even then, any child interested in opening the safe can easily do it IMHO. As a side note, most home safes are opened by thieves with the tools found in the owners garage.
Not interested in biometric IDs...way too many false positives IMHO to be useful. If you don't build them that way they tend to have way too many false negatives for any quick access device; besides who wants it to fail when you need it? Thus, you're right back to managing keys (which this doesn't have). The RFIDs interesting because it should be quick and avoids the false positives that the bios are famous for. Still have to manage the key (RFID) though.
chronos wrote:But for most people, this is not the type of person you'd be guarding against. Most people want a gun box to prevent easy theft and to guard against misuse of firearms by children. These two classes are unlikely to defeat this kind of security, barring negligence on the part of the owner. So from a practical aspect, I would argue that this may be considered 'just enough' security for many cases.
Most people vastly overrate their security out of ignorance. Mine is better than average, but even then it's still easy theft.
A handgun safe capable of actually stopping a basic thief is going to weigh 50-100lbs minimum and be made of a hard steel because aluminum, despite it's strength, is soft and easily drilled. These are child proof containers, not much else.
chronos wrote:Also, consider how many people own those 4-digit combo boxes. How long do you think it would take for someone to enter all 10,000 possible codes, use a torch or some other cutting tool? In many respects, this is probably no better or worse. But for the intended user of the box, it sure seems faster when you need it. As long as the battery's not dead.
Why spend hours trying a combo when I can open it in seconds with a hammer? Seriously, I opened my own $400 "security/fire" safe with a hammer (and extremely minor damage...you can't tell) in two blows. FYI, it weighs >200lbs! That's a far better constructed safe than any of these handgun safes I've seen.
