Sins of Handgun Shooting: The Cup and Saucer Grip

[allingeneral]

I found this to be an interesting read. There are a couple of similar stories in the links below it.

http://www.outdoorhub.com/how-to/the-se ... ucer-grip/

[Chasbo00]

Well, not using a cup and saucer grip is good advice, but I don't think much of article's recommended grip. The support hand is not rotated down enough and the strong hand thumb is not resting over the support hand thumb.

Here is a video I like on how to properly grip a semi auto pistol for good recoil control and shooting both fast and accurately. If you are not interested in shooting fast, then you can grip the pistol just about any old way so long as you pull the trigger straight to the rear without disturbing the pistol's alignment with the target as the gun discharges.

[SHMIV]

Lol, I wasn't familiar with that grip.

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[gunderwood]

Well, not using a cup and saucer grip is good advice, but I don't think much of article's recommended grip. The support hand is not rotated down enough and the strong hand thumb is not resting over the support hand thumb.

+1

If rotated the support thumb will be much further forward than that.

[SilentServiceVet]

Well, not using a cup and saucer grip is good advice, but I don't think much of article's recommended grip. The support hand is not rotated down enough and the strong hand thumb is not resting over the support hand thumb.

Here is a video I like on how to properly grip a semi auto pistol for good recoil control and shooting both fast and accurately. If you are not interested in shooting fast, then you can grip the pistol just about any old way so long as you pull the trigger straight to the rear without disturbing the pistol's alignment with the target as the gun discharges.

^ This. Exactly.

[Mindflayer]

Saw a guy firing a .454 using C&S grip. It was interesting to watch!

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[VACoastie]

Hammer, meet forehead

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[SilentServiceVet]

Saw a guy firing a .454 using C&S grip. It was interesting to watch!

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Patrick -- interesting? Or funny as hell when the casull round propelled the gun into his face?

[gunderwood]

Seen this waaaay to many times. If you don't have a lot of money for training, buy the Magpul Dynamic Handgun DVD and practice.

[GeneFrenkle]

To someone that can comment on the content on the Magpul Dynamic DVDs, could you write up a pro/avg/con review? Yea, there are prolly other sites that might have that kind of content, but there is value when it comes from board members(known entities).

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[gunderwood]

To someone that can comment on the content on the Magpul Dynamic DVDs, could you write up a pro/avg/con review? Yea, there are prolly other sites that might have that kind of content, but there is value when it comes from board members(known entities).

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Here's a quick run down:

* As their marketing on the box says, they teach the how, what and why of handgun manipulation. Training IMHO works best if you not only understand what to do and how to do it, but why it's better to do it this way. They have strong preferences and explain them, but aren't 100% against alternatives if it works for you.

* They teach gunfighting and make no excuses for it. They teach what works "95%" of the time rather than alternatives that may be marginally faster, but fail too often in their opinion. I agree. E.g. a proper power stroke vice slide stop release for emergency/combat reloads. The only thing I disagree with them on is they did NOT teach removing the empty mag with your support hand during a reload. IMHO, I've seen way too many "drop free" mags stick. Your support hand is right there and it takes very little additional time to physically remove the mag rather than hope it drops free. Otherwise, I consider their gun manipulations to be best of breed for gunfighting. With that one minor exception, their techniques (and why) are consistent with what I was taught by instructors who've seen real combat in Iraq/Afghanistan.

* They stress efficiency AND effectiveness of movement, along with consistency. Do it once, do it right, do it smooth (my words). This matches their gun manipulation practices.

* They of course cover gun safety (with the usual wording variations) and basic fundamentals such as trigger control.

* They talk a little about balancing speed and accuracy (which is why I shoot IDPA, great place to learn it). They run a good drill that you can easily match with a timer and ability to draw at the range. I like how they explain it and in general it's a good training paradigm. Push until it fails, then fix it.

* They have a different approach to malfunctions. Rather than teach the simple, rack, tap, bang...they suggest a slightly more complex set of operations that yields more efficiency. They teach reading the gun and then doing different actions depending on what you see. If you're going to put in the time, their method is good. However, IMHO if you're trying to teach someone quickly to pass a qualification course, etc. you're better bet is rack, tap, bang. (one thing to remember) That being said, I'm working on transitioning to their mechanics because they are more efficient. Honestly, it's not THAT different, but rather isn't the brain dead, rack, tap bang.

That's basically disc 1 (there are 4 in total for the BlueRay) and if you did nothing but what was in disc 1 you'd be much better than the average shooter I see at the range. You'd have proper gun manipulation skills. From there they touch on shooting positions, including non-ideal so that if you find yourself in them you've been there before. Honestly, most ranges would freak out if you did and thus I have not done them all. They do talk about instinctive shooting (reflexive), shooting on the move, combat mindset, etc. Then they cover some gear, CC, and drills.

For this discussion, disc 1 is gold for anyone who wants to learn good handgun manipulation skills. Even if you've been through some training already (I had been before I bought it), you still can learn enough to justify the costs IMHO.

[GeneFrenkle]

Thank you. Sounds like that series is a no brainer and can support ftf training nicely.

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[jdonovan]

Saw a guy firing a .454 using C&S grip. It was interesting to watch!

not ideal, but way way better than thumbs forward.

[Reverenddel]

You know? I never noticed my grip before, I "cross thumbs". So I tried a modified way from the video.

I notice it's a bit steadier, and the grip is a lil' firmer with the "weak hand". We'll see if "slidebite" makes that a permanent change.

I appreciate you posting this.

[Reverenddel]

You know? I never noticed my grip before, I "cross thumbs". So I tried a modified way from the video.

I notice it's a bit steadier, and the grip is a lil' firmer with the "weak hand". We'll see if "slidebite" makes that a permanent change.

I appreciate you posting this.