Health Care for America - NOW

[zephyp]

I just caught this article. One of the guys at Fox did a little analysis and came to the conclusion that all pre-existing conditions will be covered under obamacare is bogus. I havent followed his analysis but the trail he shows in the article is compelling enough for me to believe it. Not that I believe much of what our elected leaders say anyway. Although I'm not from Missouri I still like to see things for myself - especially when it comes to issues like this. Talk is cheap. Show me the money.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/08/ ... onditions/

[zephyp]

Here's an article about health care that everyone should read. Its titled "Costly and Dangerous Treatments Weigh Down Health Care." This is a little unnerving. The article is posted at the Center for American Progress which is a liberal front for the obama administration's agenda. The article describes procedures and test which they feel do no good and are too costly. My guess is these things (heart stents, MRI, back surgery, high blood pressure medications, etc) will be scrutinized and rationed (I hate to use that word) under obamacare.

The article is definitely worth a read.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/ ... erous.html

[VBshooter]

THe saddest part of all this is that the Obamaites are only concerned with a tiny portion of the population that won't or don;t work, are here illegally , or who other wise are a burden to society, the rest of us are going to be collateral damage, We have a tradition where I come from of saying a Him for people like Obama and his flock of buttwipers,,, Him Him #@&% HIM!!

[zephyp]

I hear you, Spence. It looks like we might just have a chance to beat this health care reform. Murtha is now saying that it wont pass until Jan 2010 or later. At this rate it might get nixed. Maybe Pelosi will even blow a gasket.

[VBshooter]

We can get it beat I quite sure,, A lot of those Congressman and Senators will lick their wounds and will tell Pelosi and her little circle of flunkies,to STFU when it comes to pushing it any farther,,, THey want to come back in 2010 and I think the best path to follow is vote em out anyway,, New blood brings life , Something the Congress has needed now for quite a while,,,Dem or Repub doesn;t matter, If they side now or at any time with that liberal/socialist agenda , send em packing!! I just read some of my Congressman's stuff and he is in total disagreement with the Democrats and their policies,, Let;s hope that many more get wise before it;s too late,, I for one ,am tired of their arrogance and total disrespect for the very people that elected them..

[zephyp]

We can get it beat I quite sure,, A lot of those Congressman and Senators will lick their wounds and will tell Pelosi and her little circle of flunkies,to STFU when it comes to pushing it any farther,,, THey want to come back in 2010 and I think the best path to follow is vote em out anyway,, New blood brings life , Something the Congress has needed now for quite a while,,,Dem or Repub doesn;t matter, If they side now or at any time with that liberal/socialist agenda , send em packing!! I just read some of my Congressman's stuff and he is in total disagreement with the Democrats and their policies,, Let;s hope that many more get wise before it;s too late,, I for one ,am tired of their arrogance and total disrespect for the very people that elected them..

I am with you 100%. Personally I dont care what they do between now and then they must go. They simply cannot be trusted anymore that an leopard can be trusted to change its spots.

[VBshooter]

More Health care double speak from the Obama camp and Congress,,, They are thinking of pushing it through and the hell with objections.. Obama is trying to rally help from the religous groups saying Health Care is a moral obligation. Where in the Constitution is that written? THis BS of it being "moral or a right " is dangerous to all of us,, Where is the line drawn? In the weeks to come I would hope everyone coantacts the Reps from this state and strongly tell them that object to a Public option and they need to think this thing thru much longer than the liberal Dems want to. HEre is the link to one story of the latest news,,,Note that Joe Biden is out there greasing palms with 1.5 Billion of your money to hospitals for transition to "electronic records" another thing we do not need ,,, THe government does not need all of our personal information at their fingertips to use as they see fit Can you imagine firearm denial because of what is in that record the government would keep? It's a real possibility!!!!!!!

[zephyp]

The big problem I have along this line is it being mandatory of face a fine. That dont sound like a right to me. Thats a mandate. Same as telling everyone you must own a firearm or you must always exercise the 5th Amendment. I do believe health care should be readily available and at a reasonable cost but this is ridiculous.

If its really a right then let me choose whether I want it or not.

[VBshooter]

The other little goodies are not too cool either, coverage for illegals,governmnet ID cards,Governmnet electronic records, money to Acorn and other blood suckers,favoritism for certain entities,creation of god knows how many federal jobs, possible tax increases, and the list just goes on and on, To add even more fuel to this one, On Beck last night ,,Judge Napolitano went over the Constitution as it applies to health care and the federal governments right to take it over,, Guess What? They don;t have any right and nothing in the Constitution gives them the right...As I've said before the arrogance of the Congress and the administration is outragous and downright insulting to us. Almost like they are daring us to speak up.. Or as the old saying goes "whatever the traffic will bear" THis needs to be fought at all times and instances,,We the People gotta get very busy indeed!!!!!!

[zephyp]

I'm drafting another letter and will hopefully finish it this weekend. I want it ready by the time they come back from recess. Maybe we can pass it back and forth to make sure we cover all the bases. One of the things I'm going to insist on is a point by point response rather than their standard canned answer. I'm gonna send it over and over until I get that.

[VBshooter]

A great idea,,, ..Anyway I can help ..Let me know,.. THe generic responses have gotten old I agree. Typical politician BS, it's critical we press them for the truth and accountability to the voter, and not the ones with their hands out,,, The ones who could ultimately end up paying for their little socialist experiment . All of them should be yelling loudly NO MORE!!! The free ride for Congress is done,

[Sweetpea]

I've only received 1 response from Warner (and very late) and none from Webb. Here is an interesting email I received from a friend who is big into politics. Sorry if this was posted already!


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The following leads you to some pages in the bill that warrant special checking.
I have not looked up this list of items, but overall, surely there's a way to help deserving uninsured or under-insured individuals without all of this invasive bureaucracy.

In the future those of us over 65 may have a new number to remember: our QAYR--which means our "quality adjusted years remaining." Use your imagination! Will it be tatooed on us?

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Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS
THAT SELF-INSURE

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides
what treatments/benefits you get

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt WILL RESTRICT ENROLLMENT of special needs people

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC
Benefits for you.

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC WILL BE PROVIDED TO ALL NON-US
CITIZENS, illegal or otherwise

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill- ALL NON-RESIDENT ALIENS will be exempt from
individual taxes.
(Resident Americans will pay)

Pg 58 HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access to individual's finances
& a National ID Healthcard will be issued

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your bank
accounts for electronic funds transfer, no choice

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC EXCHANGE to bring private HC
plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs for private HC
plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs. for of (?) Benefit Levels for Plans

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e. (e.g.? GY) ACORN &
Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue Government on price fixing. No
"judicial review" against Government Monopoly

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill -DOCTORS/ AMA - The Govt will tell you what
your salary will be.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employers MUST auto-enroll employees into public
option plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees AND
their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll 400k & above, who does not
provide public option, pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll btw 251k & 400k that don't
provide public option pay 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC
according to the Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access
to ALL Americans finances/personal records

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be
treated as tax"

READ THE FOLLOWING LINES SLOWLY....
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill- Govt WILL REDUCE PHYSICIAN SERVICES for
Medicaid Seniors and low income people.

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you
have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consultations.
(seniors)

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills,
durable powers of atty. Mandatory

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides approved list of end of
life resources, guiding you in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The
Govt has a say in how your life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will be used frequently
as a patient's health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may include an ORDER FOR END
OFLIFE plans. AN "ORDER" from GOV

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an
end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will
have at end of life.

[VBshooter]

It hasn't been posted yet, Thank you for doing so, The more we learn the better ,, This is some of the most serious legislation in our lifetime and we can't afford to get it wrong!!

[zephyp]

Still working on it. We have a little more time before they reconvene.