Carrying concealed without a permit

[AlanM]

Are there people/professions that can LEGALLY carry concealed in Virginia without a valid license/permit?

There is a radio personality that admits to carrying concealed and says that he does not have a card that says he has permission to do so.

He used to live in the Toledo, OH area and now lives in Virginia.

I'll provide more information later.

[OakRidgeStars]

There are individuals that can carry without a CHP as defined below:

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_Res ... ealed.shtm

[BHG1978]

Are there people/professions that can LEGALLY carry concealed in Virginia without a valid license/permit?

There is a radio personality that admits to carrying concealed and says that he does not have a card that says he has permission to do so.

He used to live in the Toledo, OH area and now lives in Virginia.

I'll provide more information later.

"certain" former or current Government employees the ones who tend to closely interact with the felonious types seem to be immune to certain rules everybody else has to follow though i bet that radio guy just has not bothered to get the permit and goes concealed to avoid the annoying public that dials 911 when they see anybody open carrying without a uniform or "cop look" about em. All they accomplish by not getting the permit is keeping their name out of a database and keeping thei driver's license or car registration from returning a chp saving 50 bucks and risking getting busted

[zerodown1]

Are there people/professions that can LEGALLY carry concealed in Virginia without a valid license/permit?

There is a radio personality that admits to carrying concealed and says that he does not have a card that says he has permission to do so.

He used to live in the Toledo, OH area and now lives in Virginia.

I'll provide more information later.

I know a few renegades who carry concealed without a permit and its just a matter of time before they pay the price for it. Some people just don't like rules.

[TenchCoxe]

A buddy of mine carried concealed without a permit for over 20 years. I kept telling him he would get in huge trouble if he ever got caught and that it wasn't that big a deal to get the permit. He finally got one about a year ago.

[Jakeiscrazy]

I have a family friend that has had about three "conceal carry guns"(keeping buying and selling) and has yet to carry or get his permit! Just carries round his home and finds a reason to change guns. He's talked about getting the permit for years now(going to put in the application next _____). One of these days I'll make him do it.

[Sensai]

I, for one, had mixed feelings about getting my concealed handgun permit. On one hand, I'm a law abiding citizen and wanted to do what the law requires to exercise my God given right to self defense. On the other hand, I didn't want to be on a list/database of people who own/carry handguns.

I got the permit, but I still don't like being on that list of quickly accessable confiscations. I'm all for constitutional carry becoming the law of the land, like it was intended to be. I don't agree with carrying concealed without a permit, but I can clearly see both sides of the equation.

[m4a1mustang]

I, for one, had mixed feelings about getting my concealed handgun permit. On one hand, I'm a law abiding citizen and wanted to do what the law requires to exercise my God given right to self defense. On the other hand, I didn't want to be on a list/database of people who own/carry handguns.

I got the permit, but I still don't like being on that list of quickly accessable confiscations. I'm all for constitutional carry becoming the law of the land, like it was intended to be. I don't agree with carrying concealed without a permit, but I can clearly see both sides of the equation.

Agreed. I don't like the permit system but at the same time I obey the law. I prefer concealed carry to open carry so there was really no choice for me but to get the permit.

[Yarddawg]

I, for one, had mixed feelings about getting my concealed handgun permit. On one hand, I'm a law abiding citizen and wanted to do what the law requires to exercise my God given right to self defense. On the other hand, I didn't want to be on a list/database of people who own/carry handguns.

I got the permit, but I still don't like being on that list of quickly accessable confiscations. I'm all for constitutional carry becoming the law of the land, like it was intended to be. I don't agree with carrying concealed without a permit, but I can clearly see both sides of the equation.

I agree. Although I have the same reservations about being on that list, and believe that asking for permission to do something that the Constitution says I have a right to do without infringement, I may go ahead and apply for mine as well.

Maybe one day this country will return to what the founding fathers intended and expressed.

[SHMIV]

I'll just continue to open carry. I rather like the deterrent factor, as well as the interesting conversation that it can occasionally provoke.

That, and I don't rightly care for being on lists.

[cyras21]

Are there people/professions that can LEGALLY carry concealed in Virginia without a valid license/permit?

There is a radio personality that admits to carrying concealed and says that he does not have a card that says he has permission to do so.

He used to live in the Toledo, OH area and now lives in Virginia.

I'll provide more information later.

I know a few renegades who carry concealed without a permit and its just a matter of time before they pay the price for it. Some people just don't like rules.

What if one day the rules said you had to turn in all weapons? Just because it's a law doesn't make it constitutional.

[wally626]

B. This section shall not apply to any person while in his own place of abode or the curtilage thereof.

Except as provided in subsection J1, this section shall not apply to:

1. Any person while in his own place of business;

2. Any law-enforcement officer, wherever such law-enforcement officer may travel in the Commonwealth;

3. Any person who is at, or going to or from, an established shooting range, provided that the weapons are unloaded and securely wrapped while being transported;

4. Any regularly enrolled member of a weapons collecting organization who is at, or going to or from, a bona fide weapons exhibition, provided that the weapons are unloaded and securely wrapped while being transported;

5. Any person carrying such weapons between his place of abode and a place of purchase or repair, provided the weapons are unloaded and securely wrapped while being transported;

6. Any person actually engaged in lawful hunting, as authorized by the Board of Game and Inland Fisheries, under inclement weather conditions necessitating temporary protection of his firearm from those conditions, provided that possession of a handgun while engaged in lawful hunting shall not be construed as hunting with a handgun if the person hunting is carrying a valid concealed handgun permit;

7. Any State Police officer retired from the Department of State Police, any officer retired from the Division of Capitol Police, any local law-enforcement officer, auxiliary police officer or animal control officer retired from a police d....

7a. Any person who is eligible for retirement with at least 20 years of service with a law-enforcement agency or board mentioned in subdivision 7 who has resigned in good standing from such law-enforcement ....
...
8. Any State Police officer who is a member of the organized reserve forces of any of the armed services of the United States, national guard, or naval militia, while such officer is called to active military duty, provided such officer carries with him written proof of consultation with and favorable review of the need to carry a concealed handgun issued by the Superintendent of State Police. ...

For purposes of applying the reciprocity provisions of subsection P, any person granted the privilege to carry a concealed handgun pursuant to this subdivision, while carrying the proof of consultation and favorable review required, shall be deemed to have been issued a concealed handgun permit;

9. Any attorney for the Commonwealth or assistant attorney for the Commonwealth, wherever such attorney may travel in the Commonwealth;

10. Any person who may lawfully possess a firearm and is carrying a handgun while in a personal, private motor vehicle or vessel and such handgun is secured in a container or compartment in the vehicle or vessel; and

11. Any enrolled participant of a firearms training course who is at, or going to or from, a training location, provided that the weapons are unloaded and securely wrapped while being transported.

C. This section shall also not apply to any of the following individuals while in the discharge of their official duties, or while in transit to or from such duties:

1. Carriers of the United States mail;

2. Officers or guards of any state correctional institution;

3. [Repealed.]

4. Conservators of the peace, except that an attorney for the Commonwealth or assistant attorney for the Commonwealth may carry a concealed handgun pursuant to subdivision B 9. However, the following conservators of the peace shall not be permitted to carry a concealed handgun without obtaining a permit as provided in subsection D hereof: (a) notaries public; (b) registrars; (c) drivers, operators or other persons in charge of any motor vehicle carrier of passengers for hire; or (d) commissioners in chancery;

5. Noncustodial employees of the Department of Corrections designated to carry weapons by the Director of the Department of Corrections pursuant to § 53.1-29; and

6. Harbormaster of the City of Hopewell.

So actually a long list. Most Gun owners in VA are on the list somewhere. However, the number that can carry a concealed loaded weapon in public without permit is much smaller and would require some ID of some sort such as being a retired police officier, commonwealths attorney, Harbormaster of the City of Hopewell. From an ideal standpoint the stae would be as well off or better getting rid of permits altogether but the current permit process is not too restrictive.

[mk4]

the current process is the law of the commonwealth. that said, i'd much prefer constitutional carry. some of us are working behind the scenes to set that up for the next ga session. it won't be easy, but it's worth fighting for. the language of 2a is much simpler that 18.2-308... "shall not be infringed", straight and to the point.