Trayvon Martin case hurts all guns owners.

[gunderwood]

Really, wow. Informative and scary gunderwood! So what is the point of a GJ then?

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In the past, GJ's had real power, but the government has long since corrupted them into a rubber stamp. Very interesting to see; until then I also thought GJ's were effective. Juries also use to have the power try not only guilt, but law too...these days try that you are guaranteed a mistrial.

The GJ concept serves a very real purpose, but it's current implementation makes it useless.

[justsomeguy]

hypothetically speaking, if martin had subdued zimmerman and walked away, do you think he would be charged with assault? also, if martin had beaten zimmerman to death, do you think he would have been charged with murder?

[mamabearCali]

Well if you "subdue" a person who has done nothing to you, but follow you, that would be assault. Now would he get away with it, maybe, it really depends on the prosecutor and his defense lawyer. If he beat a man to death, that again had done nothing more than follow him, that would be murder. Would he get off on that one, I doubt it. The deceased would have had a 9-11 call saying that there was a suspicious man in the neighborhood, that and the the forensic evidence would have been against him. The 9-11 call would have been used to show see here is this man acting suspicious and now the man who noticed him doing so is dead.

Remember that Zimmerman, according to the wittness, only shot Martin after Martin was bashing Zimmerman's head into the ground. A far cry from following someone.

[Kreutz]

@SilentServiceVet

dude, how are you telling me it's unlikely when it happened to me? i was walking from school, and i saw the guy (a homeless man) from across the street. this is chicago.

So you live in one of the most anti-gun cities in America, and don't (can't even if you wanted) own a gun.

So you're on a gun forum in Virginia.

Why? Not accusing you of ulterior motives, just seems pointless to be here.

[BW1911]

my daddy used to take to me to a nearby lake and we would go fishing. we would rent a boat and ask the guy at the marina where the fish were biting and what bait was working, then we would go to that part of the lake and motor around on the battery driven trolling motor for hours with our lines in the water... ah, good days...such sport! why did we go so far out into the lake in a rented boat, when we could have sat on a dock or a shoreline and fished all the live long day for free? well, because that's where the bait was workin' and the fish were biting...

[mamabearCali]

So you think this was a setup for Martin or for Zimmerman? If so that is particularily nuts. If for Martin, Zimmerman would be nuts to put his body and his life up for collateral. His life is forever changed from what it could have been. If it was a set-up for Zimmerman by Martin, now that is really crazy cause as we see you never know who is carrying.

[BW1911]

So you think this was a setup for Martin or for Zimmerman? If so that is particularily nuts. If for Martin, Zimmerman would be nuts to put his body and his life up for collateral. His life is forever changed from what it could have been. If it was a set-up for Zimmerman by Martin, now that is really crazy cause as we see you never know who is carrying.

um...no... my post reflects my rambling thoughts when Kreutz asked jsg (who does not use caps, btw) why a fellow who lives in the republik of chicago and who doesnt own any gun would be interested in a gun owners forum based in the evil, gun-running sta...er, commonwealth... of virginia... i really didn't think i was being all that subtle...

[mamabearCali]

Whoops...sorry then!

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[justsomeguy]

@SilentServiceVet

dude, how are you telling me it's unlikely when it happened to me? i was walking from school, and i saw the guy (a homeless man) from across the street. this is chicago.

So you live in one of the most anti-gun cities in America, and don't (can't even if you wanted) own a gun.

So you're on a gun forum in Virginia.

Why? Not accusing you of ulterior motives, just seems pointless to be here.

i didn't say i still live there. i said i was going to school there, and i've never said i wasn't a virginia native. you came to those conclusions all by yourself

anyway, i've enjoyed the discussions on here. i've come to the conclusion that zimmerman will most likely go free even though i don't like it. i believe that his foolish actions led up to the poor decision of trayvon martin to engage him out of fear or anger, or rage, which ultimately led to martin's death because he was technically probably the first aggressor. i guess if you manage to elude someone who you believe is following you you shouldn't hide or later confront them to try to disarm, jump, or subdue them. in addition, if you do engage or get the jump on the person following you, and the situation escalates you should probably beat the person very badly as horrible as that sounds.

i came to all of this by reading some of the posts on this board, so it wasn't all bad, i would say. i hope you don't dismiss any other non gun owning individuals who might choose to post on your forum, in the future. opposing views can shed light on how individuals perceive things.

BW1911,

you also made many prejudiced assumptions about my thoughts on virginia, guns and gun owners. good job. at no point in my postings did i ever say anything negative about guns, gun owners, or virginia. so how did you reach that conclusion? furthermore, you don't use capital letters either. you capitalized one word in your post: Kreutz. again...good job.

take care.

[WRW]

LOL!!! the mistake was the one capital letter. Someone on here has a sense of humor...

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[BW1911]

furthermore, you don't use capital letters either. you capitalized one word in your post:

In the case of my l/c text, imitation was the sincerest form of sarcastic jest. Also, I never actually imputed the "evil gunrunning commonwealth" comment to you, merely a play off the current MSM attitude toward Virginia. Do I wonder if you're trolling, though? Yep.

oh, btw, i corrected my one cap!

Cheers!

[Kory]

I am having a very easy time sideing with Zimmerman. I think that he was unwise in following Martin but atacking a man who is following you is also unwise.

It might be Hobbesian of me to say but it seems natural that the dead one was more wrong in a case of near equal fault.

[justsomeguy]

I didn't realize i was writing a term paper. Thanks for combing my internet forum posts for mistakes. Gun people have a strange sense of humor.

[CCFan]

Whatever you do, don't infringe on the deceased's mother's recently filed-for trademarks:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/ ... rks-769123

[fuze]

All of the evidence I have seen would put Zimmerman inside the law... Self Defense.

I will wait until April 10th and see if official charges are brought against him, and see how the trial plays out if charges are brought before I make final judgement. At this point it appears to me a media circus that is starting to back peddle.

[Tweaker]

They won't do that, but they will slowly get the (internal) memo that this was not the minority gold mine it appeared to be at teh outset.

jsg, goodbye. Your posts are as tedious to read as they are devoid of logic or entertainment value.

[BW1911]

(and now we return you to your regularly scheduled programming)

[Palladin]

and the stone merchants will be there selling stones and if you cant afford stones you can buy a packet of gravel

[justsomeguy]

They won't do that, but they will slowly get the (internal) memo that this was not the minority gold mine it appeared to be at teh outset.

jsg, goodbye. Your posts are as tedious to read as they are devoid of logic or entertainment value.

dude, you need to relax. i was trying to understand what might have taken place. you seem more concerned with minorities, media, and the usual garbage. i just wanted to speak to and hear the opinions of some gun owners, and i did get some really good responses from mamabearcali and secretservicevet. i don't give a crap about the black panthers or the main stream media, yada yada yada. just wanted to hear what different people had to say. i'll leave it at that. i was going to go off into something else, but never mind.

i hear as much typical stuff from you as i do from people who only want zimmerman to die or go to prison.

life must seem pretty simple when you only stick to your beliefs, and only listen to people who share your opinions.

take care everybody. thanks for the responses.

[Rich]

As the original poster of this thread...I would like to thank all who have participated. It has been very informative. Obviously the story has and will continue to unfold. It has become much more of a circuis than I would have imagined. Regards. Rich