Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

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Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Postby UnderwaterMike » Fri, 08 Nov 2013 16:31:33

Take a look at this video if you haven't seen it already. It's a story on the "knockout game," now being played by punks around the nation. I'd never heard of this, and after watching the video it appears that the element of surprise is half the value of this sucker-punch attack. So, unless you see something happening in your peripheral vision and can react in time, I'm not sure there's much you could do.

That said, if I were being attacked in a situation like this and was able to react, my first instinct would be to respond with deadly force if I was carrying.

I'm curious as to whether other people would feel justified in using a gun in such a circumstance? Why or why not?
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Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Postby Kreutz » Fri, 08 Nov 2013 16:34:30

Shooting black people assaulting you is a good way to get Zimmerman'd.

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Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Postby UnderwaterMike » Fri, 08 Nov 2013 16:41:29

So... what? You're just supposed to let yourself be victimized?

Actually, that's a great argument for joining USCCA, isn't it?
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Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Postby Kreutz » Fri, 08 Nov 2013 16:44:11

UnderwaterMike wrote:So... what? You're just supposed to let yourself be victimized?


Think of it as "atonement for institutional racism" or some such nonsense. May your honky blood wash away the sins of your fathers!


Actually, that's a great argument for joining USCCA, isn't it?


Not sure what that is.

Fun fact: I didn't watch the video, but I knew they'd be black.

Cuz I'm psychic an sheeit.


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Postby dorminWS » Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:07:36

What else that's a good argument for is vigilance, diligent peripheral surveillance, and a kick-ass stun gun.
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Postby UnderwaterMike » Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:18:11

U.S. Concealed Carry Association. It's an expensive membership (~$350 a year), but part of the benefit is $1M shooting liability insurance.
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Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Postby dorminWS » Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:22:26

UnderwaterMike wrote:U.S. Concealed Carry Association. It's an expensive membership (~$350 a year), but part of the benefit is $1M shooting liability insurance.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Does that $350 include any casualty insurance on your guns?
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Postby kelu » Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:38:21

So... you want to end dead or in a court room? Hmm... not a hard choice.
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Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Postby UnderwaterMike » Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:38:44

dorminWS wrote:
UnderwaterMike wrote:U.S. Concealed Carry Association. It's an expensive membership (~$350 a year), but part of the benefit is $1M shooting liability insurance.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Does that $350 include any casualty insurance on your guns?

I don't recall. I get their magazine, but I don't have the money right now to join, so I didn't find out more. You can check it out at https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/membership/.
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Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Postby UnderwaterMike » Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:45:23

kelu wrote:So... you want to end dead or in a court room? Hmm... not a hard choice.


Not sure what you mean?
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Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Postby UnderwaterMike » Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:47:44

UnderwaterMike wrote:U.S. Concealed Carry Association. It's an expensive membership (~$350 a year), but part of the benefit is $1M shooting liability insurance.


EDIT: $500K, not $1M. Sorry, getting senile... :roll: I also carry a $1M umbrella liability policy, though, so I assume that would kick in as well?
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Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Postby kelu » Fri, 08 Nov 2013 18:11:24

UnderwaterMike wrote:
kelu wrote:So... you want to end dead or in a court room? Hmm... not a hard choice.


Not sure what you mean?

Well, many times this game is deadly.
This one lived:
http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/intended-kno ... oots-back/
others don't:
http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/black-on-whi ... more-dead/
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/378567 ... e-sentence
http://newsone.com/1749005/game-of-deat ... kout-king/
and many more...
What was different between first and the others?
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Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Postby Remek » Fri, 08 Nov 2013 18:28:34

Another reason to stay the hell out of the city.
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Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Postby OakRidgeStars » Fri, 08 Nov 2013 18:54:14

UnderwaterMike wrote:
kelu wrote:So... you want to end dead or in a court room? Hmm... not a hard choice.


Not sure what you mean?


Reference to the adage... "Judged by twelve or carried by six"


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Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Postby thekinetic » Fri, 08 Nov 2013 19:25:02

It wouldn't be deadly but I would cut their balls off because they're obviously too much of pusses to fight me face to face.
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Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Postby Swampman » Fri, 08 Nov 2013 21:00:52

But it's a macho thing. You stick to that story bud, cause it's all you have.

Don't see any way to react to something like that. If I have to waste my time watching everyone I pass until they are well past me then I just won't go there. These kids are in Hoboken, Paterson, Jersey City, Newark, etc. Just don't go there. If you do, wear an "I Voted for Obama" t-shirt.
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Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Postby Remek » Fri, 08 Nov 2013 22:11:42

Here's the problem: you'd have to draw and shoot them while being approached with a raised fist, and before contact, or you might be asleep while they loot your sidearm. Then again, what am I thinking, its NJ! Simply put, you'd not likely have time to respond unless you were 100% vigilant and examining the movements of everyone approaching you on the walkway. At that point, you'd be perceived like a nut at best, an aggressor at worse, and at then you'd have a much harder time proving your case.

Again, the case I make is that you should stay away from the rabble of the heavily left of left cities. These are dumb ass teens trying to prove themselves. They aren't dumb, or they'd be doing it here where people do carry guns.

How do we stop it? I have no idea. Maybe take away their parent's welfare?
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Postby JustinCase » Sat, 09 Nov 2013 00:13:30

OC, just saying...

Also, stay the hell away from where thugs are.

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Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Postby FiremanBob » Sat, 09 Nov 2013 07:38:48

Let's add a twist to it. Suppose you were not the victim, but you were a close bystander and saw it happen from the start. Would you draw?
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Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Postby UnderwaterMike » Sat, 09 Nov 2013 08:50:12

FiremanBob wrote:Let's add a twist to it. Suppose you were not the victim, but you were a close bystander and saw it happen from the start. Would you draw?


You bet I would. As I said when I posed the question, if the blow comes as it's supposed to, I don't think you can defend. That is, they won't go for it unless you're not paying attention. Likewise, I'd be surprised if it happened with bystanders around. But, if it did, my gun would be out.
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