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Postby Mindflayer » Fri, 05 Jul 2013 21:17:52

I wager $1000 that we will see large scale civil insurrection in these United States in our lifetime. Do you accept the wager?

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Postby Nat » Fri, 05 Jul 2013 21:32:36

Funny thing, just today I thought the very same thing, and to be quite honest I expect it to happen. No $1000 wager and I hope I am wrong because of a lot of bloodshed of innocent people.
Just if it does happen I will not be surprised. Especially with the direction obama is "leading" the country. There is almost too much divisiveness in the country for it not to happen.
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Postby dusterdude » Fri, 05 Jul 2013 21:55:12

Wouldnt touch it with a 10 foot pole


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Postby dmharvey » Fri, 05 Jul 2013 22:11:39

Something definitely has to give if we continue down the road we're on. I sure hope it doesn't involve violence but I think it is tough to rule that out.
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Postby thekinetic » Fri, 05 Jul 2013 22:23:54

Obama has planned on it, do not take his bait. Wait him out and try for a better president else he may try to take total power.

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Postby Domino » Fri, 05 Jul 2013 22:27:40

I see it coming.


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Postby Snakester » Fri, 05 Jul 2013 23:03:58

The Fan is running.....obumma has a handful ....Will fling it in the next 3 years ! :confused:


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Postby AppleaDay » Sat, 06 Jul 2013 07:26:16

I don't think we'll make it past the verdict in the Zimmerman trial


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Postby grumpyMSG » Sat, 06 Jul 2013 08:04:30

You haven't "defined" large scale, is it 1000 people, 100,000 people, a city, multiple city or multiple state event? Even the it would probably be an unwise bet.
You just have to ask yourself, is he telling you the truth based on knowledge and experience or spreading internet myths?


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Postby cwfunrider » Sat, 06 Jul 2013 08:33:49

I just heard a discussion about this on the radio Friday morning. I hope to hell it does not come to that. It will not end well for anyone.

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Postby TacticalMom » Sat, 06 Jul 2013 08:46:09

I am what they call a scared better, and "scared money never wins" is what was told to me one time in Vegas.

I do not bet on things unless I have a greater chance of winning then losing.

With that said... I would not touch that with a 10 foot pole. I hope it does not come down to that, but again, with the way things are going.

I am just hoping people in our gubernment will come to their senses and not let it happen.

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Postby Kreutz » Sat, 06 Jul 2013 09:02:32

Eventually "it's free swipe yo EBT" will stop working and anyone in a "diverse" area will need full auto.


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Postby dorminWS » Sat, 06 Jul 2013 09:07:47

The stage is certainly set for massive noncompliance with federal laws on several fronts in the next few months.
- Obamacare's mandates are very likely to be ignored by younger people who have always elected not to buy health care coverage because they think they don't "need" it. And our health care system, IMO, is likely to collapse under the massive burden of Obamacare; leaving us to the mercies of the federal bureaucrats who wind up running some kind of universal Medicare-like system.
- Any gun control measures that might be imposed either legislatively or administratively are also more likely than not to be resisted by massive noncompliance, IMO. Many of the nation's Sheriffs have publicly stated they will not enforce such laws/regulations and will not assist other in doing so.
- Large groups on both the left and the right are deeply disaffected and just plain mad as hell about the way things are going to the devil in a handbasket.
- Then there's the immigration controversy.
- And don't forget the voting rights issues that are simmering just below boiling right now.
- And as someone has already observed, the Zimmerman/Martin fiasco is a powderkeg with lit sparklers on top.
- Another natural disaster like Katrina might set it off; particularly if DHS mobilizes its storm troopers and starts confiscating guns or other private property.
- And then there is the specter of what happens when the EBT cards stop working in the case of financial and economic collapse brought on by inflationary expansion of the money supply and the next big "bubble".

Just about anything could touch it off. As each day passes, and with each new scandal, the people are becoming more and more disrespectful, untrusting and resentful of our federal government. That includes its laws and regulations. That's what happens when those laws and regulations are seen as unfair and burdensome.

One of the newspapers ran a copy of the Declaration of Independence on the 4th. As I read the list of grievances against the Crown that it included, it occurred to me that some bright-eyed, well-researched person with more energy and initiative than me ought to list those complaints in that 237-year-old document and compare each to the recent (and some less recent) conduct of our federal and/or state governments. I wondered if there weren't many recent transgressions that could be cited as very similar to the things that George III did to bring about the Revolution.

I'd like to think this is alarmist; but I fear it might not be. I still hope so. What is it the man said? "Hope for the best, but keep your powder dry". Sounds like pretty good advice to me.

I wouldn't take the bet, either. But you might want to think about whether you are making a sucker bet. Think about it this way: If I did take the bet and I won, I could collect. If you won, on the other hand, you'd more than likely find it next to impossible to collect; unless maybe you could take your winnings in MREs and ammo.
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Postby FiremanBob » Sat, 06 Jul 2013 10:22:36

Looks very much like the prequel to Glenn Beck's "Eye of Moloch", which is a highly optimistic depiction of how things could play out.
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Re: My wager to you.

Postby dorminWS » Sat, 06 Jul 2013 11:57:39

OK, here is my quick-and-dirty (and pretty half-asses, I'll admit) attempt to compare the Declaration of Independence's list of grievances to recent federal conduct. I added the numbering to the original language just top kind of separate things. I'm not advocating a march on Washington or secession, here. I'm just amusing myself while I watch it rain. But I got bored and I feel lazy and sleepy; so maybe some of you smarter, more industrious folks will take up the sword and pursue this exercise more rigorously. And if not, no biggie.
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The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
(1) He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
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Does this remind you at all of Harry Reid’s refusal to allow the Senate to consider all those bills passed by the House?
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(2) He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
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Barry hasn’t dissolved the Congress (yet), but he has methodically bypassed it with executive orders and recess appointments.
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(3) He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
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The Feds have certainly obstructed the “Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners” by ignoring their obligation to enforce immigration laws and protect our border.
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(4) He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
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Our esteemed Attorney General, along with the IRS and any number of other federal agencies, would seem to have a multitude of sins to answer for in the realm of “obstructing the administration of justice”. A list would go on and on, and I’ll leave it to other to compile – if it ever happens.
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(5) He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
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Obamacare, the EPA, DHS, you name it. Hundreds of thousands of pages of new and burdensome regulations. So many even the feds can’t get all the printing done and have to postpone enforcement of the regs because they’re still writing regs.
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(6) He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
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This battle was lost before all the Founding Fathers had breathed their last. But the “Enforcement Arms” of all those federal agencies, and Obama’s proclamation that he needed a “domestic police force” (or whatever he called it) Raise this issue anew; and in a more menacing light, IMO.
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(7) He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
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Remember that deployment into Libya at the behest of the UN and without consulting with Congress? Also, remember the allegations that he was purging military commander who indicated they might not fire on American citizens?
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(8) He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
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See #7, above. Also, there’s the concerns surrounding the UN’s so-called “Small Arms Treaty”. Then there are the fresh (but insubstantial) allegations about sending the Russians in for disaster relief.
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(9) For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

(10) For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

(11) For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
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You mean like preventing us from piping oil down from Canada and prohibiting the importation of firearms with “no sporting purpose”?
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(12) For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
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I guess the Obamacare “tax” was imposed without consent, beause (1) it only passed by virtue of manipulation of procedural rules and without the Congress knowing what the bill said, and (2) Nobody even knew it WAS a tax until the SCOTUS said it was.
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(13) For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

(14) For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences

(15) For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

(16) For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

(17) For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

(18) He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

(19) He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

(20) He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

(21) He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

(22) He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated inj
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Postby SHMIV » Sat, 06 Jul 2013 20:19:18

Funny that you bring all that up, Dormin. I had kicked that very idea around during the emporers first year of reign, then forgotten about it until this year. I've actually been contemplating that, and other similar projects for the past couple of months.

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Postby Reverenddel » Sun, 07 Jul 2013 15:59:39

One word:

Argentina.

Read what happened when a semi-first world's economy went belly up... It's frightening stuff, and redesigned most of my "get thru it" plans.


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Postby Rich » Sun, 07 Jul 2013 16:35:14

I don't think so. I am in my 60's and I have seen various groups at various times predict something like this many times over the years. Short of a near total economic collapse I dont expect anything major to happen. By and large I think most people are too apathetic and too lazy to be bothered.


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Postby Swampman » Sun, 07 Jul 2013 17:46:00

@Rich - I agree with one caveat: the EBTer's. Wait until they can't use their cards anymore. They'll be screamin' :clapping: for someone's head on a platter. And you know who WON'T get the blame.
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Re: My wager to you.

Postby Kreutz » Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:40:13

Rich wrote:I don't think so. I am in my 60's and I have seen various groups at various times predict something like this many times over the years. Short of a near total economic collapse I dont expect anything major to happen. By and large I think most people are too apathetic and too lazy to be bothered.



I think you won't see the near total economic collapse for at least 20 years. The growing power (and more importantly, growing global acceptance) of the Chinese yuan will be more settled by then, with the BRIC nations filling the support role Western Europe used to when we were the main global power as they too blink out and die away.

I think things will get very interesting here in about 40 years.


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