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I live in Ohio, and I just bought a machinegun. I want to take it into Virginia to shoot on family-owned land. I know the VA state law says all machineguns must be registered with the State Police within 24 hours of getting them. Do machineguns brought into the state need to be registered with the State Police?

Thanks!

dnh wrote:I live in Ohio, and I just bought a machinegun. I want to take it into Virginia to shoot on family-owned land.

You'll need to send, and get an approved ATF 5320.20 first.

I know the VA state law says all machineguns must be registered with the State Police within 24 hours of getting them. Do machineguns brought into the state need to be registered with the State Police?

Have you downloaded a copy of sp-115? There is a section for temporary registration, thats what you need to fill out.

You may want to call VA SP and ask them about doing a 1 year blanket coverage form, similar to the 5320.20 you do with ATF. That way you could travel for a full year on a single form.

Thanks!

1 year coverage is a no go with VA SP

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Utah wrote:1 year coverage is a no go with VA SP

Any idea what the VASP will approve for a maximum period? Or is it one form per trip?

No idea...buddy of mine in MD comes to shoot on occasion and tried to get it for a year (think 5320) and got rejected. I never thought to ask how long he got it for. This just being me and thinking out loud...I don't see why you could get it for a month...but what do I know?

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Wait... so you can buy a machinegun, register it with the BATFE, and if you go out of state... you have to RE-REGISTER IT WITH THAT STATE LEVEL POLICE FORCE!?

Complicated much?

Reverenddel wrote:Wait... so you can buy a machinegun, register it with the BATFE, and if you go out of state... you have to RE-REGISTER IT WITH THAT STATE LEVEL POLICE FORCE!?

Yep, states can make their gun laws more restrictive than federal law.

Oh to add fun to that, if you have a 'conversion device' i.e. a sear, then you have to register everything it has gone into within 24 hours of installation.... but get this, not the sear itself.

And getting into NFA arms means you are moving into a very paperwork intensive hobby.

The rules may be strange, but I just try to comply with them...

jdonovan wrote:

Reverenddel wrote:Wait... so you can buy a machinegun, register it with the BATFE, and if you go out of state... you have to RE-REGISTER IT WITH THAT STATE LEVEL POLICE FORCE!?

Yep, states can make their gun laws more restrictive than federal law.

Oh to add fun to that, if you have a 'conversion device' i.e. a sear, then you have to register everything it has gone into within 24 hours of installation.... but get this, not the sear itself.

And getting into NFA arms means you are moving into a very paperwork intensive hobby.

The rules may be strange, but I just try to comply with them...

+1

Try is the key phrase. If the ATF wants you, you're toast.

You know what? That's crap. Flat out.

If I have committed no crimes, pass a background check (which checks for restraining orders, and mental health restrictions BESIDES Felonies), and have a LEO sign off on something? I should be able to have a LIL' more freedom than a REGULAR citizen! NOT LESS!

THAT is pure fertilizer right there fellas!

What can we do to change that? Seriously.

Reverenddel wrote:What can we do to change that? Seriously.

It is a VERY minor bother to do the paperwork.... when you poke the bear you've got a chance that things will get WORSE not better.

Devils advocate...What about the people that went with a trust? No
finger prints or LEO sign-off

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Devils advocate...What about the people that went with a trust? No
finger prints or LEO sign-off

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That was nice, huh? Fat fingered the phone. Sorry about the double post

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Utah wrote:Devils advocate...What about the people that went with a trust? No
finger prints or LEO sign-off

For which part? If acquiring from a dealer then the dealer should be running NICS/VFTP on the individual picking up the firearm. There's nothing for non-dealer transactions, and that is what has ATF so freaked.

For the state registration, the commonwealth does not recognize trusts as owners of machineguns, so the registration is issued to the individual filing the SP-115. I have no idea if they run a background check on the filer (from memory, I don't think the form has all the info needed for NICS, so probably not).

Utah wrote:Devils advocate...What about the people that went with a trust? No
finger prints or LEO sign-off

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What about the people who spend 5mins in their garage?

In the end, arms restrictions don't reduce crime...it's a fundamentally flawed assumption and has been demonstrated as such over and over. There's nothing different about NFA items that changes that flawed assumption.