Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

So when do we talk about all this fun stuff FTF??

Reca wrote:So when do we talk about all this fun stuff FTF??

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I think the dark, shadowy figures who control this group from behind the scenes using the rest of us as unwitting dupes are afraid to have a FTF meeting. Their hoods might slip off and reveal their pasty faces. And they are probably afraid somebody will shoot Kreutz, too.

dorminWS wrote:I think the dark, shadowy figures who control this group from behind the scenes using the rest of us as unwitting dupes are afraid to have a FTF meeting. Their hoods might slip off and reveal their pasty faces. And they are probably afraid somebody will shoot Kreutz, too.

Shhhh... they'll hear you

dorminWS wrote:I think the dark, shadowy figures who control this group from behind the scenes using the rest of us as unwitting dupes are afraid to have a FTF meeting. Their hoods might slip off and reveal their pasty faces. And they are probably afraid somebody will shoot Kreutz, too.

My code name is "Walking homicide entrapment unit #4".

Of course, that begs the question, who are (were?) the first three?

I am new here but have found this discussion very interesting. i ran across something that may interest you guys a while back and i will post the link to it. The 2012 Survival List sounds like something your base camp needs..

http://www.howtosurvive2012.com/htm_nig ... val_04.htm

hope link is right if not its really /htm_night/survival_04.htm

Great thread, really interesting and thought provoking.

What you need is to be able to train teams to conduct tactical operations in defense of your survival group and location. For those veterans who think they know it all, its not just about you and what you know, but getting on message with a team and rehearsing and practising.

I thought about it a lot when I started getting into the prepper thing, so I decided to write it down. If you want the means to train for resistance and American Insurgency against a future enemy, domestic or foreign, click on the link in my signature.

maxvelocity wrote:Great thread, really interesting and thought provoking.

What you need is to be able to train teams to conduct tactical operations in defense of your survival group and location. For those veterans who think they know it all, its not just about you and what you know, but getting on message with a team and rehearsing and practising.

I thought about it a lot when I started getting into the prepper thing, so I decided to write it down. If you want the means to train for resistance and American Insurgency against a future enemy, domestic or foreign, click on the link in my signature.

Your reference about veterans knowing everything and they think it's only about them and what they know pressed the wrong way with me sir. I'll not go any further into how displeased I am with your statement about those who have served and defended the very country you enjoy your freedom in.

Anyone who has served or know anything of the military will know that TEAM is first and foremost. Training as a team is the biggest mission the military has sir. Please know your facts before addressing statements such as this in the future. Makes me think that little star at the bottom of your signature wasn't earned....... I'd love to see undeniable proof of service BTW. All your doing is trolling for bites on that book anyhow. One I won't be buying.

scrubber3 wrote:

maxvelocity wrote:Great thread, really interesting and thought provoking.

What you need is to be able to train teams to conduct tactical operations in defense of your survival group and location. For those veterans who think they know it all, its not just about you and what you know, but getting on message with a team and rehearsing and practising.

I thought about it a lot when I started getting into the prepper thing, so I decided to write it down. If you want the means to train for resistance and American Insurgency against a future enemy, domestic or foreign, click on the link in my signature.

Your reference about veterans knowing everything and they think it's only about them and what they know pressed the wrong way with me sir. I'll not go any further into how displeased I am with your statement about those who have served and defended the very country you enjoy your freedom in.

Anyone who has served or know anything of the military will know that TEAM is first and foremost. Training as a team is the biggest mission the military has sir. Please know your facts before addressing statements such as this in the future.

Scrubber3: Thank you for responding to my post. I think you may have not taken it as it was intended, it is an easy thing to do with email/written stuff. My intent on posting on the forums is to provide information among like-minded people. I am in fact a veteran and also a currently serving member of the USAR, so I understand what the military is about, and veterans. That is partly why I wrote what I wrote, from observing comments that not all, but "some" people make, and the assumption that because they were perhaps on a deployment or in the military in some capacity that this may in fact be "good enough" WTSHTF. I contend that it is not. I contend that a lot of people are military and veterans on this forum but depending on MOS they may well benefit from additional information. Also, the forum is about getting together and forming groups to fight against a threat. I wrote my manual based on a whole bunch of military training and deployment experience in SOF, just for that kind of situation. If people are serious about making a VGOF resistance grouo, then they need to take information such as that which I have provided and get together and get on message, together as a team. So, the comment really was not about saying veterans and the military don't know about teams, but that they need to get on one and start training - and if they have been out for a while they may get a little shock when they do.....
Let me know if that helps....? I am pretty new here and I am not about upsetting people right off the bat!

Understood. Though you may want to speak with admin before trying to push your book. Have you ever been "active"? I was active combat arms with a small elite team known as C.O.L.T. I was a Forward Observer and their were 3 to a team. Our job required extensive knowledge on survival and combat, Land navigation, as well as calling fire missions. Not to mention on how to keep ourselves from going crazy after sitting under cover for days at a time. Training and learning as a team was tops.

This is why I questioned your service. Don't mind me asking, what is your MOS?

Scrubber3: Glad to be back on track. You have exactly the type of experience that I talk about in my book. Yes, I do hope to promote my book, but I also enjoy taking part in the discussions. The book is not some pile of made up poop, its real info designed for a post-collapse situation. It works for both non-military and veteran types. You would probably enjoy it. I also talk at one point about the old-school LRRP patrols that were trained to sit tight underground for 14 days while the Soviet Shock Armies rolled over them, before emerging to fight behind the lines.
I am pretty public about my military experience. I was 11 years in the British Army, serving in British SOF with 6 operational deployments, including to Afghanistan immediately post 9/11. I then served for 5 years in Iraq and Afghanistan as a security contractor. Iraq was 3 years including US government contracts and a year in Fallujah working for the US Military. I then worked for two years as security to the UK Government, mainly in Helmand Province.
I then settled in the US and joined the USAR, where I initally joined as a combat medic (68W) and have since joined civil affairs (38B). I do the Reserves just because I missed it when I got out, and because I have a lot of experience to pass on and help people with. My unit has me training them in small unit tactics, and I originally wrote all that down as an instruction, which then became the kernel for the book idea, aimed at preppers. I am currently writing another version aimed more at SWAT, paramilitary, high risk security types, SOF, which talks more about Iraq and Afghanistan and less about prepping. I am a US Citizen.

This is much better. Your first post on this thread shaped you out to be a troll. Now you seem like quite a good fella. Someone I might can get along with in a trench filled with mud.

Special Air Service I take it? I'd like to meet up with you at some point so I can learn a bit from you. I'm not buying your book unless its less than $14.95+tax though. Just saying......

Are you located near central Virginia?

for you veteran guys Max book may be useful. For civilian, a good read is http://shtfschool.com/.

Scrubber3: I am in Northern VA. I just joined the range at Quantico, because they have facilities to shoot rifles outside and decent ranges, but have not had time to even go there and pick up my membership cards.
I have removed my book image for now, so you regulars don't think I am just about being a troll monster.
As for your limit of $14.95 plus tax, The Kindle book version is only $9.99, (the paperback is $19.95) so that puts it within your budget! I would appreciate some reviews, the book is literally just out. The diagrams are better in the paperback though....

Kelu: thanks for saying the book may be helpful, appreciated. I like to think it is useful for both vets and tactical newbies, I took care to write it like that for that very reason. I have seen stuff written about how it is not necessarily a good idea to learn survival stuff from military types, and I wanted to make sure that it was written for the right audience. I took TTPs and adapted them for families and groups of survivor friends, thinking about how I might do stuff with my kids and family. I then take it up a notch and explain how to train and operate as independent tactical teams, should the stuation merit that, where you would leave the families in a safe location and get out to fight whatever goblins need fighting, whether you are in an insurgency or just protecting a defended location such as a compound, farm or small town.

I wonder... Max, how many vans are stationed in your neighborhood?

Haha about the vans, I will take another look round...
But seriously, its all legit stuff for law abiding folks. I sometimes find myself sniffing around the paranoia rabbit hole that says preppers are not liked by government, which makes sense to me but is always a possibility. Just preparing to survive....

I like to read Survivalblog by Rawles and he has a lot of prepping books out, which I have read, but his site just suffered two recent DOS attacks which makes you wonder.

I have also been looking at Oathkeepers but that also gives me pause. Are there negative repercussions for joining for currently serving typpes. On the face of it, its not a problem, just affiming your oath as a Patriot. It is designed as a counter to over-reaching goverment, which was the whole idea of the Constitution. But the paranoia makes us worry about "vans" and being put on a list for joining something like Oathkeepers. Makes you wonder about whether we are really in a free society based on the Constituion or whether we are increasingly a police state...

I am currently writing another version of the book less for preppers but more for the military, law enforcement, high threat contractors, paramilitraies etc. All these TTPs could be used for an insurgency, but when I say that I mean a resistance movement against invading bad guys, foreign or domestic, post-SHTF. Not the government.