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That is one mean looking weapon...I likey!

I like the concept. Couple things I would change though. The action cycling seems a bit awkward, a slightly longer weapon would fix this. The sights are awful IMHO. Flip ups for back up sights is one thing, but to design them as primary is not wise. Also the sight radius is too short and the grip over two 12ga tubs is way too wide. I forget the way to calculate it (its based on the old formula to built a good sword), but the ideal weapon length for your average man is around 37". It was based on height/arm length ratios and you can tell by the way they cycle the action in the video that it is not right. Extend the weapons OAL, but add a collapsible stock or something would be better.

gunderwood wrote:I like the concept. Couple things I would change though. The action cycling seems a bit awkward, a slightly longer weapon would fix this. The sights are awful IMHO. Flip ups for back up sights is one thing, but to design them as primary is not wise. Also the sight radius is too short and the grip over two 12ga tubs is way too wide. I forget the way to calculate it (its based on the old formula to built a good sword), but the ideal weapon length for your average man is around 37". It was based on height/arm length ratios and you can tell by the way they cycle the action in the video that it is not right. Extend the weapons OAL, but add a collapsible stock or something would be better.

I think you're missing the point; its designed for people my age (bet its under 400 bucks!) who think guns must look like something from Modern Warfare. It does look cool, and it will sell based on that factor alone.

gunderwood wrote:The sights are awful IMHO. Flip ups for back up sights is one thing, but to design them as primary is not wise. Also the sight radius is too short ...

I doubt you'll be shooting much skeet with this thing. Point blank == no sights necessary.

Kreutz wrote:

gunderwood wrote:I like the concept. Couple things I would change though. The action cycling seems a bit awkward, a slightly longer weapon would fix this. The sights are awful IMHO. Flip ups for back up sights is one thing, but to design them as primary is not wise. Also the sight radius is too short and the grip over two 12ga tubs is way too wide. I forget the way to calculate it (its based on the old formula to built a good sword), but the ideal weapon length for your average man is around 37". It was based on height/arm length ratios and you can tell by the way they cycle the action in the video that it is not right. Extend the weapons OAL, but add a collapsible stock or something would be better.

I think you're missing the point; its designed for people my age (bet its under 400 bucks!) who think guns must look like something from Modern Warfare. It does look cool, and it will sell based on that factor alone.

It wouldn't look much different with my mods, it would just be more functional IMHO. I have several bullpups and they are a good concept when executed correctly. This isn't far off, but who knows what QC will be like. The gun they stole it from wasn't designed for people our age, it was designed to be a better shotgun. It just isn't available in the US.

I'll wait for the Ruger.

The shells eject on the left side?. I wonder if that can be modified?.

No the shells eject down, similar to the design of the PS-90/P90. The chamber is actually right next to your cheek (real comforting uh? better hope the chamber doesn't fail) If you look closely between the guy's forearm and bicep, you can see the shell ejecting downward.

I watched again and now I see the shells ejecting downward. I thought it was configured for a lefty

gunderwood wrote:It wouldn't look much different with my mods, it would just be more functional IMHO. I have several bullpups and they are a good concept when executed correctly. This isn't far off, but who knows what QC will be like. The gun they stole it from wasn't designed for people our age, it was designed to be a better shotgun. It just isn't available in the US.

Would raise the cost though, Kel-tecs target demographics seem uh, budget conscious, and young. Never a good thing to put too much into production for that group that wants fast and cheap.

That looks awkward and punishing

If you've got a job to do like that, than the Saiga -12 would be my first choice...

Kreutz wrote:

gunderwood wrote:It wouldn't look much different with my mods, it would just be more functional IMHO. I have several bullpups and they are a good concept when executed correctly. This isn't far off, but who knows what QC will be like. The gun they stole it from wasn't designed for people our age, it was designed to be a better shotgun. It just isn't available in the US.

Would raise the cost though, Kel-tecs target demographics seem uh, budget conscious, and young. Never a good thing to put too much into production for that group that wants fast and cheap.

The only thing would increase the cost of the gun by any meaningful amount is an adjustable stock. Real drilled/tapped/dovetail sights are cheaper than that rail and flip ups. The extension of the rifle likely costs virtually nothing. I like the bullpup and twin tube feed concept, but it just needs tweaked IMHO.

The reason it is designed that way is so they can market how short it is. It should be considerably shorter than an M4.

I've been keeping my eye on this weapon. IF it proves itself reliable and durable (and only time will tell), then I might pick one up.

There is a lot of steel in that gun and the price is up there. Very un-Kel-Tec like.

A great way to fix the odd cycling posture would be to offer it with an integral suppressor and extend the grip.