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Re: Keltec-Constant Innovators(New Shotgun)

Postby grumpyMSG » Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:40:31

The incorporation of the rail was almost inevitable. It allows you to pick the sights/ optic you want. After all you can even get a railed up side by side:
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_double_defense.php
Keltec understands it can't go into markets that are already flooded like The AR15/M4s or the M1911s. They just aren't going to be taken serious. I am surprised they haven't come out with something like the Crossfire Rifle/ Shotgun Combo.
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Re: Keltec-Constant Innovators(New Shotgun)

Postby zombiehunter » Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:45:57

With a projected MSRP of $880, i would assume that the shelf price would be around $600ish? But not sure that the gun justify's a price like that, sure it looks cool, but not to sure about a plastic 12ga.

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Re: Keltec-Constant Innovators(New Shotgun)

Postby gunderwood » Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:52:37

grumpyMSG wrote:The incorporation of the rail was almost inevitable. It allows you to pick the sights/ optic you want. After all you can even get a railed up side by side:
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_double_defense.php
Keltec understands it can't go into markets that are already flooded like The AR15/M4s or the M1911s. They just aren't going to be taken serious. I am surprised they haven't come out with something like the Crossfire Rifle/ Shotgun Combo.
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My complaint against the rail is that the irons are flip up. I don't like flip up front sights on ARs either; IMHO they are trouble. I have a fixed front sight on all of my ARs. There should be a rail, but I would prefer a fixed front sight at the very least.
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Re: Keltec-Constant Innovators(New Shotgun)

Postby Jakeiscrazy » Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:58:14

gunderwood wrote:
grumpyMSG wrote:The incorporation of the rail was almost inevitable. It allows you to pick the sights/ optic you want. After all you can even get a railed up side by side:
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_double_defense.php
Keltec understands it can't go into markets that are already flooded like The AR15/M4s or the M1911s. They just aren't going to be taken serious. I am surprised they haven't come out with something like the Crossfire Rifle/ Shotgun Combo.
Crossfire Combo.jpg

My complaint against the rail is that the irons are flip up. I don't like flip up front sights on ARs either; IMHO they are trouble. I have a fixed front sight on all of my ARs. There should be a rail, but I would prefer a fixed front sight at the very least.


Well you could always put on some DD irons. Don't you have those on your AR?
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Re: Keltec-Constant Innovators(New Shotgun)

Postby Chasbo00 » Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:30:56

I think this will be a very popular shotgun. It's shortness is it's strength and is what allows the gun to be more effectively used from vehicles, in buildings, and in other close combat type situations. The high shell capacity is a big plus too.
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Re: Keltec-Constant Innovators(New Shotgun)

Postby skeeterss0 » Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:16:37

the high shell capacity will probably eventually be blocked by legislation.
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Re: Keltec-Constant Innovators(New Shotgun)

Postby Diomed » Tue, 25 Jan 2011 04:37:44

Chasbo00 wrote:I think this will be a very popular shotgun. It's shortness is it's strength and is what allows the gun to be more effectively used from vehicles, in buildings, and in other close combat type situations. The high shell capacity is a big plus too.

Except for that little issue with the trigger...

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Re: Keltec-Constant Innovators(New Shotgun)

Postby PawnQuixote » Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:57:18

Diomed wrote:Except for that little issue with the trigger...


Hmm, I had not heard about that. Interesting to know. Thanks for posting that little update lol.

That's a bizarre idea.... LEOs have access the "slam-fire" variant while civilians don't... hmm.

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Re: Keltec-Constant Innovators(New Shotgun)

Postby grumpyMSG » Tue, 25 Jan 2011 21:04:07

PawnQuixote wrote:
Diomed wrote:Except for that little issue with the trigger...


Hmm, I had not heard about that. Interesting to know. Thanks for posting that little update lol.

That's a bizarre idea.... LEOs have access the "slam-fire" variant while civilians don't... hmm.


If the opportunity to pull and hold a trigger, while racking the slide is really that appealing to you, just pick up a used Model 12 or 1897 Winchester shotgun. Neither of them come with disconnectors.
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Re: Keltec-Constant Innovators(New Shotgun)

Postby Chasbo00 » Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:29:49

Diomed wrote:
Chasbo00 wrote:I think this will be a very popular shotgun. It's shortness is it's strength and is what allows the gun to be more effectively used from vehicles, in buildings, and in other close combat type situations. The high shell capacity is a big plus too.


Except for that little issue with the trigger...


Wow! They need to fix this. A trigger that does not reset is beyond bad.
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Re: Keltec-Constant Innovators(New Shotgun)

Postby Jakeiscrazy » Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:02:36

Chasbo00 wrote:
Diomed wrote:
Chasbo00 wrote:I think this will be a very popular shotgun. It's shortness is it's strength and is what allows the gun to be more effectively used from vehicles, in buildings, and in other close combat type situations. The high shell capacity is a big plus too.


Except for that little issue with the trigger...


Wow! They need to fix this. A trigger that does not reset is beyond bad.


I wouldn't "jump the gun" on this. It' s only one source and we are still talking about prototypes. Who knows what the finalized version will look like but perhaps they can get this issue sorted. I never heard of Keltec doing anything for LEOs only. I don't know why they would start now.
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Re: Keltec-Constant Innovators(New Shotgun)

Postby PawnQuixote » Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:10:29

grumpyMSG wrote:
PawnQuixote wrote:
Diomed wrote:Except for that little issue with the trigger...


Hmm, I had not heard about that. Interesting to know. Thanks for posting that little update lol.

That's a bizarre idea.... LEOs have access the "slam-fire" variant while civilians don't... hmm.


If the opportunity to pull and hold a trigger, while racking the slide is really that appealing to you, just pick up a used Model 12 or 1897 Winchester shotgun. Neither of them come with disconnectors.

It's not that it's really that appealing to me, I was just puzzled as to why Kel-Tec might choose to omit that capability.

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Re: Keltec-Constant Innovators(New Shotgun)

Postby Diomed » Thu, 27 Jan 2011 02:39:09

PawnQuixote wrote:It's not that it's really that appealing to me, I was just puzzled as to why Kel-Tec might choose to omit that capability.

When the major manufacturers deleted slamfire capability from their shotguns in the '80s they all cited liability concerns.

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Re: Keltec-Constant Innovators(New Shotgun)

Postby PawnQuixote » Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:46:05

Diomed wrote:
PawnQuixote wrote:It's not that it's really that appealing to me, I was just puzzled as to why Kel-Tec might choose to omit that capability.

When the major manufacturers deleted slamfire capability from their shotguns in the '80s they all cited liability concerns.


Ah ok. I see. Learn somethin' new every day :clap:

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Re: Keltec-Constant Innovators(New Shotgun)

Postby dorminWS » Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:37:10

That short and 14 shots? Why didn't they make it semi-auto?

And, by the way, who the hell needs sights on a shotgun?
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Re: Keltec-Constant Innovators(New Shotgun)

Postby jrswanson1 » Sat, 05 Mar 2011 10:01:51

dorminWS wrote:That short and 14 shots? Why didn't they make it semi-auto?


So they could sell it in California.

dorminWS wrote:And, by the way, who the hell needs sights on a shotgun?


Someone who shoots steel and not clay birds.

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