Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

by **Chasbo00** » Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:23:03

Don't act like this guy:

http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/21489 ... bc%7Clarge

Was this an ignorant or negligent discharge, or perhaps both?

by **dorminWS** » Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:02:57

Chasbo00 wrote:Don't act like this guy:

http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/21489 ... bc%7Clarge

Was this an ignorant or negligent discharge, or perhaps both?

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This guy sounds like every responsible gun owner's nightmare. There's a LOT of information missing from this story:

WHY would he have pulled his gun out in a restaurant to begin with?
Why was he loading it?
If he unloaded it, why?
I won't ask why he couldn't load it without a discharge. The answer to THAT, at least, isn't hard to guess.

The story says it was an accident, so it seems to me must have been both negligence AND ignorance. I don't see how you could do anything THAT stupid unless you were both. Says they charged him with "willfully discharging a firearm in a public place". I'm not sure how they'll make the case that it was WILLFULL, unless he was SO horribly negligent and reckless as to amount to willfullness. But unless he gets a gun-abhoring urban yuppie jury (or unless he get a jury of crusty old men who think anyone that ignorant belongs in jail) and if he has a decent lawyer, my guess is they may fail to convict him as charged. CRIMINAL STUPIDITY is what this guy's guilty of, but I don't think that's a chargeable offense. If it is, we should all go to a magistrate and swear out a warrant against Obama.

by **Chasbo00** » Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:12:53

dorminWS wrote: I'm not sure how they'll make the case that it was WILLFULL, unless he was SO horribly negligent and reckless as to amount to willfullness. But unless he gets a gun-abhoring urban yuppie jury (or unless he get a jury of crusty old men who think anyone that ignorant belongs in jail) and if he has a decent lawyer, my guess is they may fail to convict him as charged. CRIMINAL STUPIDITY is what this guy's guilty of, but I don't think that's a chargeable offense. If it is, we should all go to a magistrate and swear out a warrant against Obama.

I suspect he's facing a felony charge based on the press article saying he was charged with willfully discharging a firearm in a public place and the fact that someone was injured as a result. The construct of this VA law has an "or" clause that allows its application without willful intent being present despite the title of the law.

§ 18.2-280. Willfully discharging firearms in public places.

A. If any person willfully discharges or causes to be discharged any firearm in any street in a city or town, or in any place of public business or place of public gathering, and such conduct results in bodily injury to another person, he shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony. If such conduct does not result in bodily injury to another person, he shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...0+cod+18.2-280

by **mk4** » Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:13:26

dorminWS wrote:
Chasbo00 wrote:Don't act like this guy:

http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/21489 ... bc%7Clarge

Was this an ignorant or negligent discharge, or perhaps both?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This guy sounds like every responsible gun owner's nightmare. There's a LOT of information missing from this story:

WHY would he have pulled his gun out in a restaurant to begin with?
Why was he loading it?
If he unloaded it, why?
I won't ask why he couldn't load it without a discharge. The answer to THAT, at least, isn't hard to guess.

I read on another forum that he'd been at the Chantilly gun show where his gun needed to be unloaded and zip tied. Allegedly, he cut off the zip tie in the Hooter's restaurant and was reloading under the table.

Fracking idiot.

by **OakRidgeStars** » Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:49:54

Nothing good is going to happen any time you have your hands under the table at a Hooters restaurant.

by **mk4** » Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:56:07

OakRidgeStars wrote:Nothing good is going to happen any time you have your hands under the table at a Hooters restaurant.

ok, ya owe me a new keyboard. ya know how much it hurts to spew pepsi out yer nose when you bust out laffin'?

by **zerodown1** » Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:20:54

To bad some don't have to pass an IQ test before they carry a firearm. He did so many things wrong it would be pointless to point them out to the folks on this site. They already know what should be said about a clown like this. :einstein:

by **m4a1mustang** » Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:41:09

Ugh what a fail. That's about the stupidest thing he could have done. Thanks a lot for making us all loo bad. :thumbsdown:

by **sgscaster** » Tue, 31 Jul 2012 08:38:48

I couldn't believe the article when I read it...as others have said too many failures on this clowns part to even start

by **Remington** » Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:49:15

Yeah, that was a real Bohn-headed thing alright...

by **ProShooter** » Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:01:36

Sounds like someone who should have come to take a class, BEFORE buying a gun.

by **Chasbo00** » Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:33:16

ProShooter wrote:Sounds like someone who should have come to take a class, BEFORE buying a gun.

If this guy was a new gun owner with no prior experience or gun safety knowledge, then he may have had an ignorant discharge that was compounded in severity by his extremely poor judgment in attempting to load his handgun by doing so literally under the table in a crowded restaurant.

If the above is true, some gun safety and carry training may well have prevented the incident.

However, if this guy knew how to safely load his pistol but just didn't do it, then it's clearly a negligent discharge and lack of training was not a cause factor.

Either way, he's likely to serve some jail or prison time.

by **Reverenddel** » Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:08:17

(sigh) Dumbazz.

by **SpanishInquisition** » Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:49:49

Ya know, I'm really glad nobody was injured, and this guy was irresponsible...

...but every time I read the topic title on this one, I want to giggle some.

by **Chasbo00** » Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:57:03

SpanishInquisition wrote:Ya know, I'm really glad nobody was injured...

A woman was injured - shot in the ankle according to the press articles. And this injury makes the charge against the guy who had the ND a felony.

by **HotRod** » Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:27:37

Uh, don't they serve alcohol at Hooters? Maybe I'm behind the times on the law, but when I got a concealed carry permit, I was told no carry anywhere they serve alcohol..or is that only for concealed? MAybe he was carrrying open, which I can't imagine why that would be a good idea in Hooters, and I would guess would be against the law too. I guess I better check out the rules again.

by **SpanishInquisition** » Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:56:26

Ooops. I missed that there was in fact an injury. My apologies.

The specific wording of the topic title still causes my funnybone to spasm some. Am I alone in this?

by **Remington** » Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:24:55

SpanishInquisition wrote:Ooops. I missed that there was in fact an injury. My apologies.

The specific wording of the topic title still causes my funnybone to spasm some. Am I alone in this?

It is funny to me too but it could be even funnier if they had said "embarrassing nocturnal discharge" instead... :hysterical:

by **Chasbo00** » Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:06:41

HotRod wrote:Uh, don't they serve alcohol at Hooters? Maybe I'm behind the times on the law, but when I got a concealed carry permit, I was told no carry anywhere they serve alcohol..or is that only for concealed? MAybe he was carrrying open, which I can't imagine why that would be a good idea in Hooters, and I would guess would be against the law too. I guess I better check out the rules again.

Based on what I've read in the press, I think he was open carrying - it's still a guess though. If he had a CHP, this fact would have likely been reported.

by **scrubber3** » Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:02:01

HotRod wrote:Uh, don't they serve alcohol at Hooters? Maybe I'm behind the times on the law, but when I got a concealed carry permit, I was told no carry anywhere they serve alcohol..or is that only for concealed? MAybe he was carrrying open, which I can't imagine why that would be a good idea in Hooters, and I would guess would be against the law too. I guess I better check out the rules again.

You can legally carry concealed where alcohol is served. You just cannot drink any.