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Anybody here know anything about it? I'd like to get a briefing about them from anyone that knows what they are and what they do.
Their site talks about training. What kind?
What do they believe?

First I've ever heard of them. I went to the site and looks like they are trying to get people to sign up for their forum.

Since I am no longer in the age group for the Citizens Militia 16 to 55. I won't investigate any further.

Jim wrote:Anybody here know anything about it? I'd like to get a briefing about them from anyone that knows what they are and what they do.
Their site talks about training. What kind?
What do they believe?

A couple of years back I came across thier site and it did look intereasting. The problem I had after checking around was a militia is just about always on a goverment watch list, which means you will to be watched by Uncle Sam. That would really blow my security clearance so I backed away from it

That "militia" word sets off flares with me.

Jim wrote:That "militia" word sets off flares with me.

The militia is a part of VA history and part of our states Constitution. Technically most of us are part of the unregulated VA militia simply because of age. The antis have successfully destroyed the word and concept. The antis now use that term to bias gun debates and the general populace plays along. I wouldn't be put off by a word personally, but I also would never join anything with that specific word because the government frowns on it. I.e. I'm not offended by the use of the word, but I certainly don't want to create trouble for myself.

Jakeiscrazy wrote:I bet if they called themselves a Civilian Defense Force they wouldn't get the same treatment.

You mean like the "Ulster Defense Force"?

I've talked to a few militia members. Some are the "we're in it for shooting in the woods fun". Some are not ones I want to hang out with just in case I ever want a clearance.

gunderwood wrote:

Jim wrote:That "militia" word sets off flares with me.

The militia is a part of VA history and part of our states Constitution. Technically most of us are part of the unregulated VA militia simply because of age. The antis have successfully destroyed the word and concept. The antis now use that term to bias gun debates and the general populace plays along. I wouldn't be put off by a word personally, but I also would never join anything with that specific word because the government frowns on it. I.e. I'm not offended by the use of the word, but I certainly don't want to create trouble for myself.

I believe there is also a federal law that discusses the militia and ages of inclusion for men...and no its not the reserve, guard, or active force.

zephyp wrote:I believe there is also a federal law that discusses the militia and ages of inclusion for men...and no its not the reserve, guard, or active force.

Federal law regarding the militia is void.

The militia predates and is SUPERIOR to the imperial army. It is the single final stand AGAINST GOVERNMENT, not in its defense.

Also, the VCM is a joke. They want to run around in the woods and play pretend soldier, but they won't even remotely entertain the thought that they may be FORCED BY DUTY to engage their own government in war in order to sustain (or recover) liberty.

For that they get the label "cowards" from me.

They are firmly pro-Amerikha. Any talk in defense of Dixie is not tolerated and discussion of secession as a means to restore sovereignty is verboten.

wylde007 wrote:.....Also, the VCM is a joke. They want to run around in the woods and play pretend soldier, but they won't even remotely entertain the thought that they may be FORCED BY DUTY to engage their own government in war in order to sustain (or recover) liberty.....

That's exactly what I thought. I just wanted to hear it from somebody else first. I will stay WAY the #311 away from them!

wylde007 wrote:They are firmly pro-Amerikha. Any talk in defense of Dixie is not tolerated and discussion of secession as a means to restore sovereignty is verboten.

GOOD! We've been down that road already, and I'm glad that "Dixie" lost. If "Dixie" had won, the Lovings would never have been allowed to be married. Hmm...maybe these VCM folks ain't so bad after all....

Copied and pasted from one of their threads.
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Re: Ask a Militiaman

Postby stanprophet » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:02 pm

justwondering wrote:well i am currently active duty military, but more thinking about when i get out. is there anyway to get more information on what goes on or do i just need to wait till i'm out?

Normally we have regional teams set up, each team elects a point of contact/Representative. Each region sets up meetings and training events. We normally try to set up state wide field training exercises every quarter and we encourage each regional AO to have monthly training events. The training could be anything from fieldcraft, watching videos of firearms tactics and applying what was learned to practical dry fire exercises, to live fire team tactic drills*, to weekend long practical mock deployments. We try to encompass many different aspects, we all know there is much more to surviving disaster than running around with a firearm. Some AO's are more organized than others.


*Keep in mind this is usually only done with teams that have trained together many times and know the capabilities of one another. The risk involves with 4 or more man team running and gunning is very high, so as you can imagine the trust and respect for your fellow militiaman must be very high. This is not done at statewide events.

Anyone who's interested in the real Virginia militia can take a look at Title 44, Chapter 1 of the Code of Virginia:

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504 ... 0000000000

CowboyT wrote:GOOD! We've been down that road already, and I'm glad that "Dixie" lost. If "Dixie" had won, the Lovings would never have been allowed to be married. Hmm...maybe these VCM folks ain't so bad after all....

You are a disgrace to Virginia. ESAD.

§ 44-1. Composition of militia.

The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all able-bodied citizens of this Commonwealth and all other able-bodied persons resident in this Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, who are at least sixteen years of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than fifty-five years of age. The militia shall be divided into four classes, the National Guard, which includes the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard, the Virginia State Defense Force, the naval militia, and the unorganized militia.

Interesting I only have 5 years left in the UnOrganized Militia.

What is the "Virginia State Defense Force"?

Taggure wrote:

§ 44-1. Composition of militia.

The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all able-bodied citizens of this Commonwealth and all other able-bodied persons resident in this Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, who are at least sixteen years of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than fifty-five years of age. The militia shall be divided into four classes, the National Guard, which includes the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard, the Virginia State Defense Force, the naval militia, and the unorganized militia.

Interesting I only have 5 years left in the UnOrganized Militia.

What is the "Virginia State Defense Force"?

Their web site is http://www.vdf.virginia.gov/

The Virginia Defense Force (VDF) is the Commonwealth's military reserve. The force is governed by the military laws of Virginia and managed by the Virginia Department of Military Affairs. The chain of command for the force consists of the Governor of Virginia (Commander-in-Chief), Adjutant General of Virginia, and Commanding General of the Virginia Defense Force.

Mission
(Code of Virginia 44-54.4)

The Virginia State Defense Force with a targeted membership of at least 1,200 shall be organized within and subject to the control of the Department of Military Affairs.

When called to state active duty, the mission of the Virginia State Defense Force shall be to

provide for an adequately trained organized reserve militia to assume control of Virginia National Guard facilities and to secure any federal and state property left in place in the event of the mobilization of the Virginia National Guard

assist in the mobilization of the Virginia National Guard

support the Virginia National Guard in providing family assistance to military dependents within the Commonwealth in the event of the mobilization of the National Guard

provide a military force to respond to the call of the Governor in those circumstances described in § 44-75.1

I understand the VDF to be what the Guard was supposed to be before it was illegally commandeered and nationalized by FDR under the War Powers Act.

It should be a vehicle for a standby command and logistics structure to provide an "officer corps" in the event that a mobilization of the Militia should become necessary.

The Militia is the people's and the States' last line of defense against government. The VDF answers to the Governor and CANNOT be called into federal service. In the event that the NG is commanded (unlawfully) to engage the citizenry or any of the civil authority to establish federal dominion, it is the VDF's responsibility to secure and command the Guard's arsenals and prevent them from being used to the detriment of the state or the people.

At least, that's what it should be.

I was going to ask next "what is the difference between the VDF and the NG", but Travis really summed it up. Thanks

Good post, Trav!

wylde007 wrote:I understand the VDF to be what the Guard was supposed to be before it was illegally commandeered and nationalized by FDR under the War Powers Act.

It should be a vehicle for a standby command and logistics structure to provide an "officer corps" in the event that a mobilization of the Militia should become necessary.

The Militia is the people's and the States' last line of defense against government. The VDF answers to the Governor and CANNOT be called into federal service. In the event that the NG is commanded (unlawfully) to engage the citizenry or any of the civil authority to establish federal dominion, it is the VDF's responsibility to secure and command the Guard's arsenals and prevent them from being used to the detriment of the state or the people.

At least, that's what it should be.

Agreed, but that is exactly why they changed the mission. Setting up and organizing an officers corp is a non-trivial problem. With no officer corps, the state no longer has any way to effectively organize the militia. If the governor wanted to inventory the states militia, it would be comical just watching the attempt and of course the readiness is practically non-existent.