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The re-education of American children is disgusting!

well from what was reported on that show, I would sit in the classroom,(actually I would take my kids out now) They are openly teaching the kids to defy their parents and trying to instill in their minds that teachers, guidance counselors, and any global warmer, is far more intelligent than your parents, and while you may have to listen to your parents while you are living under their roof, you don't have to believe everything they say..??? WTF?


I could NOT believe the poster he had that was produced for this national day to save schools ...or whatever they call it, it was reminiscent of the old communist party "workers unite ". I wish I knew how to post pics, because if you did not see it, you will not believe it. One of the posters actually had the slogan "Students and workers unite" this administration is not even trying to cover their tracks anymore. I am even more convinced that this administration will end badly.

I'll just say that I'm glad I dont have any kids in school...I've considered attending local PTA merely because I'm a tax payer...

right now on fox news , the president of Detroit public schools is on. The reason he is on , is because an email he wrote and sent to other teachers, and parents was written so poorly that it is almost unreadable. His response was "That he has a disability when it comes to punctuation".....


I don't buy it, and neither did some of the parents of students he is charged with. This man claimed, on national TV that he has a disability in that particular area, but is a genius at math. This may be factual, but if you know you can't write past a third grade level, wouldn't it be prudent to have someone proof read your emails? or install spell check on the computer at school? This guy is in charge of more than 900 school children. I realize it's Detroit, but even those kids who are trapped there deserve some kind of education.

GS78 wrote:well from what was reported on that show, I would sit in the classroom,(actually I would take my kids out now) They are openly teaching the kids to defy their parents and trying to instill in their minds that teachers, guidance counselors, and any global warmer, is far more intelligent than your parents, and while you may have to listen to your parents while you are living under their roof, you don't have to believe everything they say..??? WTF?


I could NOT believe the poster he had that was produced for this national day to save schools ...or whatever they call it, it was reminiscent of the old communist party "workers unite ". I wish I knew how to post pics, because if you did not see it, you will not believe it. One of the posters actually had the slogan "Students and workers unite" this administration is not even trying to cover their tracks anymore. I am even more convinced that this administration will end badly.

The education system isn't designed to educate. How could it? An educated mind knows how to think independently. An educated mind asks questions and doesn't just accept what it is told, but diligently searches out confirmation. Does this sound anything like modern school curriculum? We modelled our system after the Prussian system...a system which was created not to educate, but rather to create an obedient society. I.e. politicise education for the purpose of creating subjects who will follow orders.

Seeking to replace the controlling functions of the local aristocracy, the Prussian court attempted to instill social obedience in the citizens through indoctrination. Every individual had to become convinced, in the core of his being, that the King was just, his decisions always right, and the need for obedience paramount.[citation needed]

The schools imposed an official language to the prejudice of ethnic groups living in Prussia. The purpose of the system was to instill loyalty to the Crown and to train young men for the military and the bureaucracy. As the German philosopher Johann Gottlieb Fichte, a key influence on the system, said, "If you want to influence [the student] at all, you must do more than merely talk to him; you must fashion him, and fashion him in such a way that he simply cannot will otherwise than what you wish him to will.[1] -- Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_education_system

The whole system was designed to not educate. That is exactly why no matter how much money we through at the problem, it doesn't help. Its' core became: teach information vice understanding, short periods to not allow in-depth study, cycle the subjects rapidly to instil obedience to the system, teach the subjects independent of each other.

Information is powerless. Great for trivia, but useless. True education requires understanding. It is the difference between knowing pointless dates, names and places of the American Revolution and understanding the moral, ethical, religious, political, etc. ideas which the founders advanced. Classical education was based on a holistic approach. Each subject was one look at an integrated world view. Classical education also understood that compulsion has no power over the mind. I can force you to do some level of work. I can force you to spit out trivia, but I can not force you to become educated; to think for yourself.

If you want a good short read, check out Albert Jay Nock's The Theory of Education in the United States. It was first published in 1931, but was originally a series of lectures (prestigious Page-Barbour Lectures, http://artsandsciences.virginia.edu/pbrlect/) given at The University of Virginia. If real education matters to you, read this book!

gunderwood wrote:

GS78 wrote:well from what was reported on that show, I would sit in the classroom,(actually I would take my kids out now) They are openly teaching the kids to defy their parents and trying to instill in their minds that teachers, guidance counselors, and any global warmer, is far more intelligent than your parents, and while you may have to listen to your parents while you are living under their roof, you don't have to believe everything they say..??? WTF?


I could NOT believe the poster he had that was produced for this national day to save schools ...or whatever they call it, it was reminiscent of the old communist party "workers unite ". I wish I knew how to post pics, because if you did not see it, you will not believe it. One of the posters actually had the slogan "Students and workers unite" this administration is not even trying to cover their tracks anymore. I am even more convinced that this administration will end badly.

The education system isn't designed to educate. How could it? An educated mind knows how to think independently. An educated mind asks questions and doesn't just accept what it is told, but diligently searches out confirmation. Does this sound anything like modern school curriculum? We modelled our system after the Prussian system...a system which was created not to educate, but rather to create an obedient society. I.e. politicise education for the purpose of creating subjects who will follow orders.

Seeking to replace the controlling functions of the local aristocracy, the Prussian court attempted to instill social obedience in the citizens through indoctrination. Every individual had to become convinced, in the core of his being, that the King was just, his decisions always right, and the need for obedience paramount.[citation needed]

The schools imposed an official language to the prejudice of ethnic groups living in Prussia. The purpose of the system was to instill loyalty to the Crown and to train young men for the military and the bureaucracy. As the German philosopher Johann Gottlieb Fichte, a key influence on the system, said, "If you want to influence [the student] at all, you must do more than merely talk to him; you must fashion him, and fashion him in such a way that he simply cannot will otherwise than what you wish him to will.[1] -- Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_education_system

The whole system was designed to not educate. That is exactly why no matter how much money we through at the problem, it doesn't help. Its' core became: teach information vice understanding, short periods to not allow in-depth study, cycle the subjects rapidly to instil obedience to the system, teach the subjects independent of each other.

Information is powerless. Great for trivia, but useless. True education requires understanding. It is the difference between knowing pointless dates, names and places of the American Revolution and understanding the moral, ethical, religious, political, etc. ideas which the founders advanced. Classical education was based on a holistic approach. Each subject was one look at an integrated world view. Classical education also understood that compulsion has no power over the mind. I can force you to do some level of work. I can force you to spit out trivia, but I can not force you to become educated; to think for yourself.

If you want a good short read, check out Albert Jay Nock's The Theory of Education in the United States. It was first published in 1931, but was originally a series of lectures (prestigious Page-Barbour Lectures, http://artsandsciences.virginia.edu/pbrlect/) given at The University of Virginia. If real education matters to you, read this book!

I understand that, and agree. What I can't, for the life of me understand is, why parents today do not recognize how overt the system is at targeting the kids to accept communism over capilalism? I have always thought that most universities were that way, but now even the grade schools? kids as young as 6? being taught to worship the dirt rather than any GOD? that is despicable.

GS78 wrote:I understand that, and agree. What I can't, for the life of me understand is, why parents today do not recognize how overt the system is at targeting the kids to accept communism over capilalism? I have always thought that most universities were that way, but now even the grade schools? kids as young as 6? being taught to worship the dirt rather than any GOD? that is despicable.

When you consider the MSM, hollywood, and schools are controlled by liberals and socialists its no surprise. Parents are being brainwashed too. And if you think about it many parents of grade school children are quite young themselves and most likely liberals having just emerged from a liberal institution such as a public high school or university.

Many of us think the problem lies within the government. They are indeed a big issue but the real problems are within the educational, entertainment, and media institutions. They control the minds of many people....think also television - movies - avatar - green zone...

GS78 wrote:I understand that, and agree. What I can't, for the life of me understand is, why parents today do not recognize how overt the system is at targeting the kids to accept communism over capilalism? I have always thought that most universities were that way, but now even the grade schools? kids as young as 6? being taught to worship the dirt rather than any GOD? that is despicable.

Do the parents even know what communism or capitalism are? I'm sure you've seen the polls about how stupid we are on average...so, probably not. Ask someone to define communism and capitalism sometime. All most people know is that one is good and the other is bad. Which is which depends on who indoctrinated them. Most of the time they can't tell you why. All they know is that the bad things happen because of XXXXX and if we followed XXXXX instead life would be peachy. They only understand outcomes, not systematic thought. Anyone who promises the best outcome gets their support.

Listen to the talk show hosts and you will find it isn't much different on the other side of the aisle. Capitalism is good and right, but can they tell you why? Nope. Just a bunch of outcomes.

What I'm trying to say is that the average person has spent their whole life not developing their thinking skills. They follow whomever seems to know what is going on; can't tell you why, but it sure sounds good. The indoctrination has built a whole mythology. People believe it, despite evidence to the contrary. To suggest something like I just did, the education system isn't about education but indoctrination, makes me a "radical." What do you mean the education system isn't about education? The powers that be said it was...we don't call it the Department of Education for nothing! It becomes a matter of trust. Do they trust me or the mythology more? I don't want to you trust me, I want you to be stimulated and go find out for yourself! Educated yourself! Think for a change.

I'm not a huge movie fan, but it is just like the red vs. blue pill decision in the Matrix series. If you had the chance to find the truth, but to do so means you have to challenge everything you know today. It is not comforting to find out that something you have assumed to be true all your life isn't. I witnessed this with someone close to me. They got the chance to see the "justice" system working up close (witness, they weren't on trial or on the jury). Intellectually, it is the physical equivalent of getting punched in the face out of nowhere. At first you are just in shock and sharp pain (WTF is happening?), you then become bewildered (why, who, what...?), then comes the dull aching pain and confusion (this isn't right, but what to do?). It isn't easy for the mind to push aside something that is foundational and has been assumed from childhood. Most people would rather not know at all than face that.

Show them the truth and they will do everything, but face it.

Why they do it is simple. God, religion, education, etc. all make people hard to control. If man is answerable to a higher power, who cares what the "king" says when it contradicts God? It becomes the duty of man to resist those evil powers (PM me if you want a per-revolutionary sermon on this topic). Independent thinkers are dangerous. They challenge the status quo. They may even invent a better system where men are more free and thus, harder to control.

Is this the same one?

http://www.watchglennbeck.com/video/201 ... ch-5-2010/

gunderwood wrote:

GS78 wrote:I understand that, and agree. What I can't, for the life of me understand is, why parents today do not recognize how overt the system is at targeting the kids to accept communism over capilalism? I have always thought that most universities were that way, but now even the grade schools? kids as young as 6? being taught to worship the dirt rather than any GOD? that is despicable.

Do the parents even know what communism or capitalism are? I'm sure you've seen the polls about how stupid we are on average...so, probably not. Ask someone to define communism and capitalism sometime. All most people know is that one is good and the other is bad. Which is which depends on who indoctrinated them. Most of the time they can't tell you why. All they know is that the bad things happen because of XXXXX and if we followed XXXXX instead life would be peachy. They only understand outcomes, not systematic thought. Anyone who promises the best outcome gets their support.

Listen to the talk show hosts and you will find it isn't much different on the other side of the aisle. Capitalism is good and right, but can they tell you why? Nope. Just a bunch of outcomes.

What I'm trying to say is that the average person has spent their whole life not developing their thinking skills. They follow whomever seems to know what is going on; can't tell you why, but it sure sounds good. The indoctrination has built a whole mythology. People believe it, despite evidence to the contrary. To suggest something like I just did, the education system isn't about education but indoctrination, makes me a "radical." What do you mean the education system isn't about education? The powers that be said it was...we don't call it the Department of Education for nothing! It becomes a matter of trust. Do they trust me or the mythology more? I don't want to you trust me, I want you to be stimulated and go find out for yourself! Educated yourself! Think for a change.

I'm not a huge movie fan, but it is just like the red vs. blue pill decision in the Matrix series. If you had the chance to find the truth, but to do so means you have to challenge everything you know today. It is not comforting to find out that something you have assumed to be true all your life isn't. I witnessed this with someone close to me. They got the chance to see the "justice" system working up close (witness, they weren't on trial or on the jury). Intellectually, it is the physical equivalent of getting punched in the face out of nowhere. At first you are just in shock and sharp pain (WTF is happening?), you then become bewildered (why, who, what...?), then comes the dull aching pain and confusion (this isn't right, but what to do?). It isn't easy for the mind to push aside something that is foundational and has been assumed from childhood. Most people would rather not know at all than face that.

Show them the truth and they will do everything, but face it.

Why they do it is simple. God, religion, education, etc. all make people hard to control. If man is answerable to a higher power, who cares what the "king" says when it contradicts God? It becomes the duty of man to resist those evil powers (PM me if you want a per-revolutionary sermon on this topic). Independent thinkers are dangerous. They challenge the status quo. They may even invent a better system where men are more free and thus, harder to control.

I know exactly waht you are saying, with this exception: as for the statement :who cares what the "king" says when it contradicts God? It becomes the duty of man to resist those evil powers " I don't agree with this premise, some might, and fundementalists will. I think the stance you take about most people would rather not know the truth than face it and admit they were wrong, or misunderstood it , is absolutely correct. I am under no illusion that the education system is anything but control. It was established (public education, government sponsered education) to develop a working class of people who could further the industrial explosion, nothing more, thats why most people who leave public higschool are qualified to retread tires, not much more.

MountainCat wrote:Is this the same one?

http://www.watchglennbeck.com/video/201 ... ch-5-2010/

yes , that is the program I saw on saturday evening. I believe it originally aired on friday at 5pm est.