Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

Jakeiscrazy wrote:SAM missiles!

mamabearCali wrote:You know Kruetz, you and I disagree with each other a fair amount. But you have got a point here. There is a very serious issue here (the increasingly scary tactics of the police for what used to be routine arrests). Holy Cow something we agree on!

TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) — Jose Guerena Ortiz was sleeping after an exhausting 12-hour night shift at a copper mine. His wife, Vanessa, had begun breakfast. Their 4-year-old son, Joel, asked to watch cartoons.

An ordinary morning was unfolding in the middle-class Tucson neighborhood — until an armored vehicle pulled into the family's driveway and men wearing heavy body armor and helmets climbed out, weapons ready.

They were a sheriff's department SWAT team who had come to execute a search warrant. But Vanessa Guerena insisted she had no idea, when she heard a "boom" and saw a dark-suited man pass by a window, that it was police outside her home. She shook her husband awake and told him someone was firing a gun outside.

A U.S. Marine veteran of the Iraq war, he was only trying to defend his family, she said, when he grabbed his own gun — an AR-15 assault rifle.

What happened next was captured on video after a member of the SWAT team activated a helmet-mounted camera.

The officers — four of whom carried .40-caliber handguns while another had an AR-15 — moved to the door, briefly sounding a siren, then shouting "Police!" in English and Spanish. With a thrust of a battering ram, they broke the door open. Eight seconds passed before they opened fire into the house.

And 10 seconds later, Guerena lay dying in a hallway 20-feet from the front door. The SWAT team fired 71 rounds, riddling his body 22 times, while his wife and child cowered in a closet.

mamabearCali wrote:Yep read about that one. Terrifying. Absolutely terrifying.

What is worse is that if I am not mistaken the police were found to have taken "appropriate actions." .

DorminWS wrote:Now, back to the Grand Speculation: I figure it's most likely to be an auxilliary sewage treatment plant. Goodness knows that crew are all full of it; and I reckon they're overloading the facilities.