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US jet crashes in Libya, both crew are safe

I am just grateful that both the pilot and weapon system officer are ok and back in friendly hands. Just sad that we are down another 30 million from the loss of the F-15.

Have the French surrendered yet?

OakRidgeStars wrote:

Chasbo00 wrote:Have the French surrendered yet?

I doubt that they will give up that easy this time. They are very dependent on Libyan oil.

Yea, I heard the French have a new tank that they want to try out too when they go after the oil fields. The tank is really speedy with five gears - 4 reverse and 1 forward. The forward gear is in case they are attacked from the rear.

totes6 wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110322/ap_on_re_eu/libya_us_jet

US jet crashes in Libya, both crew are safe

I am just grateful that both the pilot and weapon system officer are ok and back in friendly hands. Just sad that we are down another 30 million from the loss of the F-15.

Has anyone heard which F-15 model it was from a reliable source? $30M is an old number (1998) for an older variant. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/F-15
The newer variants such as the SE are more like $100M. The recent variants we have sold to partners with the upgrades our Es likely have too also total more like $100M. It seems reasonable to assume that even our older Es have some of those upgrades and cost much more than $30M.

How many troops are other countries sending into this little cluster f***?? If I remember there were others in the UN that called for this action. Aren't we supposed to be having serious money issues here? Oh yeah ,I forgot, the annointed one and his court of fools doesn't care. Carte Blanche for the dirt bag nations and the UN while screwing the folks here at home. 2012 is coming and hurry,,Please.

grumpyMSG wrote:According to reports and the fact that it had a 2 man crew, it is pretty safe to believe it was an F-15E Strike Eagle.

Ya, that's what it seems. Even still, $30M is what a new one cost in 1998 and every couple of years we upgrade the electronics in those so I wouldn't be surprised to see that number double.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/23 ... ing-exile/

Obama said the United States will be pulling back this week from its dominant role in the international campaign aimed at preventing Qaddafi from attacking civilians. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said the U.S. could turn over control of the operation as soon as Saturday.

When asked what his new strategy will be to support the UN in its goals, Obama replied that he would be inviting Qaddafi for lunch and then proceed to hit the controversial leader in the arm repeatedly while asking, "Which hurts worse? A? or B?"

OakRidgeStars wrote:No boots on the ground, you say?. We'll see.

Here come the Marines.

http://www.wcti12.com/news/27257042/detail.html

They'll have to update it..

"to the shores of Tripoli (again), we fight our country's battles" doesn't sound quite right......

grumpyMSG wrote:

gunderwood wrote:

grumpyMSG wrote:According to reports and the fact that it had a 2 man crew, it is pretty safe to believe it was an F-15E Strike Eagle.

Ya, that's what it seems. Even still, $30M is what a new one cost in 1998 and every couple of years we upgrade the electronics in those so I wouldn't be surprised to see that number double.

No argument on that logic. They are the most versatile bird in the USAF inventory though, capable of the attack mission and air superiority if necessary. I wonder how many of them you could buy for the cost of one F22 or F35, it would take more crewmembers, but 20 Strike Eagles versus 4 Raptors wouldn't be a very fair fight in my eyes.

Your right, if you believe the war games and simulations the F-15s would get their butts handed to them before they even knew there was an enemy out there. One of the first exercises saw the F-22 put up 144:0 ratio against the best of the rest. A later exercise (can't find a link right now) where F-15s were outfitted with ASEA radars the kill ratio dropped to something like 20-30:1. I don't recall if those were Es or SE prototypes.