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Reverenddel wrote:Again...

Warren Buffett can ONLY speak for himself, and other liberal-minded folks LIKE himself! AKA Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, Jobs...

I don't hear the OTHERS chiming in...

If those fellows DO want to pay more?

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/repo ... t/gift.htm

Right there brotha! Send the check! Otherwise? They need to start shutting up, and stop acting like they speak for EVERYONE, when clearly they do NOT!

if that isnt tax deductible (doesn't seem to say)

Anyway, the rich should pay more-as a matter of law.

Kreutz wrote:Anyway, the rich should pay more-as a matter of law.

These guys totally agree with you.

Anyone who truly desires for themselves to pay more taxes is not only a jackass but a dim bulb...surely that individual had an IQ far less than 80 and is only capable of repeating what others say...hey, I think I just defined a democrat/liberal/progressive/socialist/commie...

zephyp wrote:Anyone who truly desires for themselves to pay more taxes is not only a jackass but a dim bulb...surely that individual had an IQ far less than 80 and is only capable of repeating what others say...hey, I think I just defined a democrat/liberal/progressive/socialist/commie...

No, I don't think these very successful, intelligent men are "dim". I think they just get what I said; they have the responsibility to pay their fair share.



How can they agree with me when Marxism calls for the total removal of private capital from society? How does one tax that which does not exist?

Marxism/Communism is not socialism, as socialism is not capitalism. All three are distinct and hate the other two.

Kreutz wrote:No, I don't think these very successful, intelligent men are "dim". I think they just get what I said; they have the responsibility to pay their fair share.

You are indeed one sick and twisted individual...I am truly ashamed that ilk of your kind even think that they are Americans...

FatAndy wrote:

Kreutz wrote:

zephyp wrote:Btw, IRS data reveals that the top 1% of taxpayers currently pay more than then lower 99% all added together

How is that mathematically possible?

It is mathematically possible if the top 1% of earners pay more than 50% of the total personal income tax burden. My info has the top 1% paying 38% of the total income tax burden, but it's a little dated:

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html

BTW, the bottom 50% of earners only pay 2.7% of to total income tax burden.

Bullshit it is not mathematically impossible...I just spent an hour analyzing data on the IRS site...here's the link to the table I used...

http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats ... 14,00.html --- Table 2 -- 2008

Subtracting total refunded from total tax liability....

The top 1% paid 46% of the total federal income taxes collected in 2008....

And it isnt impossible for them to pay more...most of the lower brackets pay nothing and get refunds to boot...its all in the numbers...

Even if the top 1% dont pay more than everyone else put together for the top 1% to pay 46% of the total tax revenue stream is staggering especially when liberal/progressive twits are screaming for the rich to pay their fair share....seems to me they are paying more than their fair share...

zephyp wrote:

Kreutz wrote:No, I don't think these very successful, intelligent men are "dim". I think they just get what I said; they have the responsibility to pay their fair share.

You are indeed one sick and twisted individual...I am truly ashamed that ilk of your kind even think that they are Americans...

Ah, using a quite about a separate group of men (Warren Buffet and his ilk) but putting it with the Communist Quartet, so it looks like I was praising them. Faux news has schooled you well young jedi.

To argue for increased taxes; and not be setting the example by voluntarily paying more oneself, is hypocritical and dishonest; whether it is Buffett, Soros, Kreutz, Obama or anyone else. If they are honestly convinced that the so called 'rich' should pay more taxes, then they would themselves be paying more already.

Doesn't need another thousand word epistle on this forum or another speech from BHO - just do it before you say you want the government to collect it under weight of law.

zephyp wrote:The top 1% paid 46% of the total federal income taxes collected in 2008....

Its amazing how quickly progressive/liberal/socialists disengage from the "debate" when presented with facts gathered from the very government they so dearly love...

zephyp wrote:

zephyp wrote:The top 1% paid 46% of the total federal income taxes collected in 2008....

Its amazing how quickly progressive/liberal/socialists disengage from the "debate" when presented with facts gathered from the very government they so dearly love...

Sigh.

You, earlier wrote:Btw, IRS data reveals that the top 1% of taxpayers currently pay more than then lower 99% all added together

Here is the problem. Now lets say the top 1% really are paying 46%.

46% is less than 51%, so, they are not paying more than everyone else together.

Everyone else is thus paying 54%, which I'm fairly certain is more than 46%, so how are "99% all added together" paying less when 54% is greater than 46%?

@Kreutz - indeed and shame on whoever started that because it only serves to give twits as yourself a reason to ignore the facts...and the fact is that the top 1% paying 46% of the total federal income tax revenue means they are paying more than their "fair share..."

zephyp wrote:@Kreutz - indeed and shame on whoever started that because it only serves to give twits as yourself a reason to ignore the facts...and the fact is that the top 1% paying 46% of the total federal income tax revenue means they are paying more than their "fair share..."

I'm not a twit. I'm just saying you chose your words poorly the first time.

Btw, IRS data reveals that the top 1% of taxpayers currently pay more than then lower 99% all added together

Its just mathematically incorrect-with the numbers you yourself provided. If the top 1% were paying 51% you would have been correct, but they're not. Dont sweat it lol.

How about this?

YOU only get a tax refund for AS MUCH AS YOU PAID!

There are people who paid $1100, but get back $4000 in tax refunds, that's income redistribution. I do not agree with that.


If you paid $1100, you get back $1100...

But I paid $7K in Fed last year with a paltry return ( I have them take a lil' extra to cover my capital gains from stocks, and such).

So in effect? I got back less than 1/7th what I paid... So I am paying income taxes MORE than the poor, and LESS than the wealthy. If Congress actually did RIGHT with my tax dollars? I would complain LESS!

Kreutz wrote:

zephyp wrote:

How can they agree with me when Marxism calls for the total removal of private capital from society? How does one tax that which does not exist?

Ask the party: http://cpusa.org/

"Download the new Save the nation! Tax the rich! PDF in both Spanish and English"
http://cpusa.org/save-the-nation-tax-co ... -the-rich/

Previously, I wrote:

OleMan wrote:To argue for increased taxes; and not be setting the example by voluntarily paying more oneself, is hypocritical and dishonest; whether it is Buffett, Soros, Kreutz, Obama or anyone else. If they are honestly convinced that the so called 'rich' should pay more taxes, then they would themselves be paying more already.

Doesn't need another thousand word epistle on this forum or another speech from BHO - just do it before you say you want the government to collect it under weight of law.

I'm sure some of you want the Federal government to have more income and therefore are willing to contribute, so if you want to set the example for the rich, or anyone else, to pay higher taxes; here is how you can do it without being forced to do so by an act of Congress:

http://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html

Please let us all know when you send in your meaningful donation - so we can all thank and congratulate you. We anxiously await your donation. President Obama and all the good and worthy Democrats, along with their billionaire friends (Gates, Buffett, Soros, et al), may have already sent in their donations to set the example for the rest of us and just chose to be modest and not tell us about it.

Kreutz wrote:I'm not a twit.

Regardless, please accept my most sincere apologies as it is not very Christian of me to call you one...I shall refrain in the future.